A McGarvey family-history page connecting Isaac “Ike” McGarvey’s furnace and factory work to the charcoal-iron world preserved at Buckeye Furnace near Wellston, Ohio.
Isaac McGarvey’s story is deeply connected to the broader McGarvey family history in southern Ohio. He was born in 1869 into a large Appalachian family headed by Hamilton McGarvey and Lucinda “Cinda” Hedding, part of a generation that lived through the economic and social transformation of the Ohio River Valley during the late nineteenth century. Isaac grew up alongside brothers and sisters in a working-class household shaped by labor, migration, and family continuity. Hamilton McGarvey family section
By 1900, Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey had established their household on West C Street in Wellston, a young industrial town shaped by railroads, furnaces, coal mining, brick manufacturing, and related work. Census records then trace Isaac through several industrial jobs: furnace man, cement mill foreman, iron furnace laborer, and pipe foundry laborer. 1900 census 1910 census 1920 census 1930 census
Ike's work life also shows a practical intelligence that did not depend on schooling. The 1930 census says he could not read or write, yet family memory remembered him as a man who could fix almost anything. Across decades of furnace, mill, foundry, and ice work, he turned hands-on skill into steady support for Mary and their children, providing for the West C Street household despite the limits placed on him by illiteracy. family memory 1930 census
The West C Street home became the center of that family history. Census records and later family memory place Isaac, Mary, their children, grandchildren, and later descendants within the same household over multiple decades. By 1940, Isaac was an older widower in the same house, while adult children and grandchildren continued the household’s working-class story. 1940 census 503 West C Street house
The known children of Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton McGarvey include Clarence, Daniel, William, Susan Anna, Mary Ellen, Margaret, and Charles Leo McGarvey. 1900 census 1910 census
Isaac McGarvey was born into a large working-class family rooted in the Ohio River Valley during the years following the Civil War. He was the son of Hamilton McGarvey and Lucinda “Cinda” Hedding McGarvey and grew up in a household shaped by labor, migration, and strong family ties. Census records from the 1870s and 1880s place the family in Lawrence County, Ohio, where Isaac spent his childhood alongside several brothers and sisters. Hamilton family section
Isaac grew up with three younger brothers, Samuel, William J., and Edward McGarvey, along with two younger sisters, Mary Ann and Rose. Together, the children formed part of a growing Appalachian Ohio family that would eventually spread into industrial towns across southern Ohio and West Virginia. Isaac would later become the family member most closely associated with Wellston, where he established the West C Street household that anchored the McGarvey family in Jackson County for multiple generations.
Census records, birth records, marriage records, and later family documents place Isaac within a stable household centered on his marriage to Mary Patton McGarvey and the raising of their children. Rather than focusing on public prominence, Isaac’s surviving story is grounded in everyday life: work, home ownership, family continuity, and community ties in Wellston, Ohio.
Wellston became the central setting for much of the McGarvey family history. The 1900 census places Isaac’s household on West C Street, and later records for his children continue to connect the family to Wellston and Jackson County. 1900 census Charles Leo birth certificate
Isaac McGarvey married Mary Patton in Lawrence County, Ohio, in December 1888. The marriage record is especially important because it places Isaac, Mary, and Isaac’s father, Hamilton McGarvey, in the same legal document. marriage record
Hamilton McGarvey appears as the sworn informant and gives consent for Isaac’s marriage. The record also notes that written consent from Mary Patton’s mother was on file, which fits the young ages of both Isaac and Mary at the time. Isaac was about nineteen, while Mary was likely about fifteen.
One of Isaac McGarvey’s most important family legacies was the house at 503 West C Street in Wellston. City property records state that the home was built in 1890. Family tradition holds that Isaac had the house built, though the earliest document currently connecting Isaac’s household to the West C Street property is the 1900 United States Census. 1900 census
The West C Street home became a multigenerational McGarvey anchor. The 1930 census shows Isaac owning the home, while the 1940 census shows him still there as an older widower with William, Charles Leo, Mary Ann, and Freddie McGarvey in the household. 1930 census 1940 census
These late-1940s family photographs extend the house record back before the 2004 views. One shows Charles Leo “Chuck” McGarvey on the front porch, and the other shows Mary Ann McGarvey along the side of the house. They were probably taken close to the period when the upstairs bathroom was added. house photographs
Later records continue to connect the family to the address, including William “Beezer” McGarvey’s World War I service record, which lists him at 503 W. C Street in Wellston. WWI service record The 2004 photographs preserve the appearance of the home long after it had served as a McGarvey family residence. house photographs
Fred McGarvey’s May 9, 2026 interview adds a rare interior memory of the house: the formal living room, family room with the coal fireplace, dining room, kitchen, back stairs, two upstairs bedrooms, and the later upstairs bathroom addition. Fred house interview clip
These cards summarize each known child of Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton McGarvey. Source documents for births, deaths, census records, photographs, and other evidence are now collected in the document gallery.
Clarence was one of the earliest known children of Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey. His birth record places the family in Lawrence County in 1890, while his death record documents his death in Wellston before the 1900 census household was recorded. birth record death record
Related records: birth record death record
Daniel appears in the family timeline between Clarence and William. The 1900 census places him in Isaac and Mary’s West C Street household as a young child, and the 1914 death index explains why he does not appear in later household records. 1900 census death index
Related records: 1900 census death index
William, known in family references as “Beezer,” was one of Isaac and Mary’s sons who lived into adulthood. His birth index and census records connect him to Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio, and his World War I service record identifies him as a private in the U.S. Army. Fred McGarvey’s May 9, 2026 interview adds family-memory detail about the Beezer nickname, his marriages, his children, and the remembered trouble that made him a vivid figure in later family stories. birth index WWI service record Fred interview
Related records: birth index 1900 census 1910 census WWI service record Fred interview
Susan Anna McGarvey was one of Isaac and Mary’s daughters. Her birth index documents her 1899 birth in Wellston, and a family photograph may show her with Mary Patton McGarvey as a young woman. Fred McGarvey’s May 9, 2026 interview remembers her as friendly, nice, and hardworking, and connects her household to William “Bill” Ehrenfeld and their children William, Ray Douglas, Clyde Franklin, and Susan “Sue” Ehrenfeld. birth index photo with Mary Fred interview
Related records: birth index photo with Mary Sue Anna interview Will/Bill interview Ray interview Clyde interview
Mary Ellen McGarvey extends the documented child timeline of Isaac and Mary into the early twentieth century. Her birth index and the 1910 census place her in the Wellston household, while Fred McGarvey’s May 9, 2026 interview preserves the family nickname “Chow Mama,” remembered because young Fred could not say “Charles’ mama.” The same interview connects her to her son Charles Bryan. birth index 1910 census Fred interview
Related records: birth index 1910 census Mary Ellen interview Charles Bryan interview
Margaret was one of Isaac and Mary’s younger children and appears in the 1910 and 1920 Wellston household records. Fred McGarvey’s May 9, 2026 interview remembers her in connection with George Scarborough and their children Jack and Elvira, describes the family warmly, and preserves memories of house-building work and Elvira’s school lunch or food-service planning. birth index 1920 census Fred interview
Related records: birth index 1910 census 1920 census Margaret interview Jack and Elvira interview
Charles Leo McGarvey is the youngest known child in this group. His birth certificate documents Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey as his parents, and the 1940 census places him in Isaac’s West C Street household as an adult worker and presser. Fred McGarvey’s interview memory adds later family context around Charles Leo, the West C Street household, and the working life that connected this branch of the family to Wellston. birth certificate 1940 census Fred interview
Related records: birth certificate 1940 census Fred interview
Wellston itself was a young industrial town when Isaac McGarvey came of age. Founded in 1873 on land owned by Harvey Wells, the community rapidly developed around coal mining, furnaces, railroads, and iron production. By the 1880s and 1890s, Wellston had become one of the important industrial communities of southeastern Ohio, attracting working families seeking opportunity in the growing furnace economy. Wellston history charcoal furnace labor panel
A museum display at Buckeye Furnace describes charcoal iron furnace labor as low-paid, uncertain, dangerous, and often tied to company stores, rented company housing, and twelve-hour days. That display is useful background for the kind of industrial work Isaac’s census records name, but it should be read as context only: no evidence currently proves that Isaac McGarvey worked at Buckeye Furnace itself. Buckeye Furnace labor display
The census records show Isaac’s working life moving through several parts of Wellston’s industrial economy. In 1900, he was listed as a furnace man with no months unemployed recorded. By 1910, he was listed as a foreman in a cement mill, a job title that suggests responsibility beyond ordinary day labor. The 1913 birth certificate for Charles Leo McGarvey gives Isaac’s occupation as ice laborer, showing another kind of local industrial work between census years. 1900 census 1910 census Charles Leo birth certificate
By 1920, Isaac was again listed in furnace work, this time as a laborer in an iron furnace. In 1930, he was listed as a laborer in a pipe foundry, still working at about age 61, and the West C Street home was marked as owned and valued at $800. These census schedules do not provide annual wage income for Isaac, but they do show steady wage work and the accumulation of home ownership. 1920 census 1930 census
In a May 7, 2026 interview, Fred McGarvey said that he had been told by friends of his grandfather, or possibly his father, that Isaac was respected in the community for his mechanical abilities. When a factory received a new machine, workers often called Ike in to put it together and explain how it worked. That memory fits the census pattern: Isaac moved among furnaces, mill work, foundry work, and ice labor, while the 1930 census also records that he could not read or write. family memory 1930 census
By 1940, Isaac’s own working life appears to have ended. The census lists him at 503 West C Street as a widowed head of household with no occupation or wage income, while William, Charles Leo, and Mary Ann McGarvey continued the household’s wage-work pattern through furnace and factory jobs. 1940 census
Buckeye Furnace stands near Wellston in Jackson County, Ohio, at 123 Buckeye Park Road. It belonged to southeastern Ohio’s Hanging Rock Iron Region, where local iron ore, limestone, timber, charcoal, water, roads, and later rail connections supported a nineteenth-century iron economy. Ohio History Connection describes Buckeye as a reconstructed charcoal-fired iron blast furnace with its original stack, and the Buckeye Furnace Historic Site identifies it as part of that broader Hanging Rock furnace landscape. Ohio History Connection Buckeye Furnace website
The furnace produced pig iron. Workers charged the stack with iron ore, charcoal, and limestone; intense heat reduced the ore to molten iron; then the iron was run into sand molds to cool into bars that could be shipped to manufacturing centers. Ohio History Connection dates the furnace to 1852 and says it went out of blast for the final time in 1894, while TrekOhio explains the furnace layout, raw materials, steam-powered blast machinery, casting floor, slag removal, and pig-iron process. Ohio History Connection TrekOhio furnace article
Furnace work required many kinds of labor: founders and keepers supervised the heat and flow of iron; fillers charged the stack; guttermen and molders handled the molten iron and casting floor; colliers made charcoal; miners dug ore and limestone; teamsters hauled raw materials and finished iron; clerks, managers, store workers, blacksmiths, carpenters, engine hands, and general laborers kept the furnace community running. A Buckeye Furnace labor display describes that world as dangerous, uncertain, and physically demanding, with twelve-hour days, company housing, company stores, scrip, heat, smoke, fumes, and little formal protection for workers. Buckeye Furnace labor display TrekOhio furnace article
This background helps interpret Ike’s job titles without overstating the evidence. The census records list Isaac McGarvey as a furnace man in 1900, a cement mill foreman in 1910, an iron furnace laborer in 1920, and a pipe foundry laborer in 1930. Those titles fit the wider furnace and foundry economy around Wellston: heat work, heavy materials, machinery, casting, hauling, repair, mill supervision, and factory labor all belonged to the same industrial world. The records do not currently prove that Ike worked at Buckeye Furnace itself, but Buckeye helps show what furnace work near Wellston involved and what other related jobs were available in that environment. 1900 census 1910 census 1920 census 1930 census Buckeye Furnace labor display
These Buckeye Furnace photographs document the preserved furnace setting near Wellston. They provide visual context for charcoal iron furnace work, but they do not prove Isaac McGarvey worked at Buckeye Furnace. Photographs credited to Jason Klein, July 14, 2025 Facebook posting. Buckeye Furnace website labor display
Mary Patton McGarvey died on May 15, 1931, closing more than four decades of marriage and family life with Isaac. Mary death index
Isaac spent his final decade at the McGarvey home on West C Street in Wellston. The 1930 census shows Isaac and Mary still living there with family, while the 1940 census shows Isaac as a widowed head of household with William, Charles Leo, Mary Ann, and Freddie McGarvey in the home. Together, these records show that the West C Street house remained a multigenerational family home at the end of Isaac’s life. 1930 census 1940 census
Fred McGarvey also remembered Isaac in these later years with an old pickup truck, delivering coal to people’s homes. In that period, coal was still a primary household heating fuel in Wellston, so this memory places Isaac in a practical neighborhood role: moving the fuel that kept homes warm. Fred interview
Isaac was buried in Ridgewood Cemetery in Wellston alongside members of his family. His burial location reflects the family’s long connection to the community and to Jackson County itself. The shared gravestone with Mary Patton McGarvey visually represents the family household that formed the center of Isaac’s life story. gravestone
Modern cemetery records and memorial documentation continue to preserve Isaac’s memory. The Find a Grave memorial for Isaac McGarvey connects his burial to Ridgewood Cemetery and links him with Mary Patton McGarvey and other family members documented throughout this page. Find a Grave memorials
This section is for census records, vital records, photographs, local history sources, and other materials that help document Isaac McGarvey’s life and family context.
The Hamilton McGarvey family section provides parentage and sibling context for Isaac McGarvey, connecting him to Hamilton McGarvey and Lucinda “Cinda” Hedding McGarvey.
McGarvey, William. 3854499. White. 503 W. C St., Wellston, O. N.A. Jackson, O. September 3, 1918. Born Wellston, O., August 26, 1896. 158 Depot Brig to discharge. Private. Honorably discharged December 8, 1918.
This record documents William “Beezer” McGarvey’s World War I service and connects him directly to Wellston, Ohio. It also preserves an alternate birth date of August 26, 1896, which should be compared against his Ohio birth index date of October 28, 1896.
Documents Isaac, Mary, and their children near the turn of the twentieth century.
Isaac McGarvey, head, born May 1869 in Ohio, married to Mary for 10 years. The household includes Mary and children Daniel, William, and Susan. Isaac’s occupation is listed as furnace man.
The 1900 census anchors Isaac’s West C Street household and places his work directly in Wellston’s furnace economy at the start of the documented census sequence.
Documents Isaac, Mary, and several children in Wellston in 1910.
Isaac McGarvey, head, age 40, married to Mary. The household includes Mary and children Daniel, William, Susan, Mary Ellen, and Margaret. Isaac’s occupation is listed as foreman in a cement mill.
The 1910 census is the strongest evidence that Isaac’s work was not limited to unskilled labor. “Foreman” suggests responsibility for other workers or a defined part of the mill operation.
Documents Daniel McGarvey’s death in Jackson County, Ohio.
McGravey, Dan. Place of death: Jackson County. Date of death: July 5, 1914.
This index helps account for Daniel’s short life and confirms his death date.
Documents Isaac and Mary’s household after the births of their younger children.
Isaac McGarvey household, West C Street, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. The household includes Isaac, Mary, William, Mary Ellen, Margaret, and Charles Leo. Isaac is listed as a laborer in an iron furnace.
The 1920 census connects Isaac’s household to Charles Leo McGarvey’s childhood and shows Isaac still working in Wellston’s furnace economy after decades in industrial labor.
Isaac McGarvey, head, male, white, age 61, married, born in Ohio, parents born in Ohio. Home owned, value $800. Occupation: laborer, pipe foundry. Isaac is marked as unable to read and unable to write.
Mary McGarvey, wife, female, white, age 57, married, born in Ohio, parents born in Ohio. Margaret McGarvey, daughter, female, white, age 23, single, born in Ohio. Charles McGarvey, son, male, white, age 16, single, born in Ohio.
This census is one of the strongest records for Isaac’s later life. It documents his owned home, the estimated home value, his work as a pipe foundry laborer, and the continued presence of Mary, Margaret, and Charles Leo in the household.
The literacy notation is especially important. Isaac is marked as unable to read or write, which adds social and educational context to his life. It may also help explain why signatures, written records, or administrative documents connected to him may appear through clerks, family members, or official records rather than in Isaac’s own hand.
Interview with Fred McGarvey about family memory of Isaac “Ike” McGarvey’s practical mechanical ability and reputation in Wellston.
Fred McGarvey said that friends of his grandfather, or possibly his father, told him that Ike was respected in the community for his mechanical abilities. When a factory received a new machine, workers often called Ike in to put the machine together and explain how it worked.
This interview gives family testimony for Isaac’s local reputation as a practical mechanic. It is especially significant alongside the 1930 census, which records Isaac as unable to read or write, because it suggests that his expertise came through hands-on experience rather than formal technical reading.
Complete audio and transcript for the May 9, 2026 oral-history interview with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside, California. Shorter document cards below pull out specific sections on Beezer, Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld, Mary Ellen Bryan “Chow Mama,” Margaret McGarvey Scarborough, Jack and Elvira, Charles Bryan, and members of the Ehrenfeld family.
This is the full source interview from which the individual May 9, 2026 excerpt cards were created. The transcript below preserves the timestamped transcript wording line by line and adds John/Fred speaker labels. Names and unclear phrases should still be checked against the audio before being treated as final.
Audio: Complete May 9, 2026 Fred McGarvey interview
Timing: Full interview, approximately 30 minutes
Complete interview with Fred McGarvey Interview by John McGarvey Oceanside, California, May 9, 2026 Note: Speaker labels identify John McGarvey and Fred McGarvey. The wording below preserves the machine transcript text line by line; names and unclear phrases should be checked against the audio when precision matters. [00:00:00.000 - 00:00:02.140] John: So what do you remember about Sue? [00:00:04.040 - 00:00:05.560] John: Sue, grandpa's sister Sue. [00:00:08.260 - 00:00:10.020] John: Sue Anna, or Sue, yeah. [00:00:10.980 - 00:00:12.580] Fred: She was the, I think the oldest? [00:00:13.780 - 00:00:14.940] John: Yeah, I think she was the oldest. [00:00:15.040 - 00:00:15.580] Fred: She was the oldest. [00:00:16.640 - 00:00:17.340] Fred: I don't remember. [00:00:18.720 - 00:00:19.780] John: She was the skinny one. [00:00:20.500 - 00:00:21.780] Fred: Yeah, I was the skinny one. [00:00:24.360 - 00:00:24.880] Fred: I'm not sure. [00:00:27.240 - 00:00:28.520] John: Her daughter was called Sue. [00:00:28.860 - 00:00:29.020] Fred: Yeah. [00:00:29.660 - 00:00:30.800] John: And I don't know what, [00:00:30.900 - 00:00:32.600] John: her daughter died at a very young age. [00:00:32.660 - 00:00:35.500] John: She did, she died like in the 50s I wanna say, [00:00:35.500 - 00:00:37.080] John: or maybe early 60s. [00:00:38.660 - 00:00:40.580] John: So, and I think there's pictures of you with her, right? [00:00:40.960 - 00:00:41.740] Fred: Yeah, yeah. [00:00:44.700 - 00:00:47.080] John: And her son, you think his name? [00:00:48.160 - 00:00:49.040] Fred: He was gay. [00:00:49.540 - 00:00:50.040] John: Oh, okay. [00:00:51.080 - 00:00:53.600] John: And I think I have his son's name. [00:00:55.200 - 00:00:56.060] Fred: Clyde, Clyde. [00:00:56.580 - 00:00:57.860] John: Clyde, that sounds right. [00:01:00.550 - 00:01:01.830] John: Let me see if I have the, [00:01:01.950 - 00:01:03.210] John: I probably have the names right here, [00:01:03.290 - 00:01:04.650] John: so that might help you remember. [00:01:05.490 - 00:01:12.840] John: Let me see, so, and then Isaac, and then. [00:01:15.060 - 00:01:20.740] John: So, Sue had, her oldest son was William, [00:01:21.080 - 00:01:24.580] John: then Ray, then Clyde, and then Sue West. [00:01:26.720 - 00:01:28.840] John: So, there was William Enfield. [00:01:29.060 - 00:01:30.000] John: So, that was another William. [00:01:30.820 - 00:01:33.900] John: So, it was probably named after her brother, I guess. [00:01:35.000 - 00:01:35.100] John: Yeah. [00:01:35.100 - 00:01:40.140] John: So, her oldest son, William, died in 1994. [00:01:41.420 - 00:01:43.080] John: So, Sue's oldest son. [00:01:43.900 - 00:01:50.500] John: So, William Enfield, Enfield? [00:01:51.300 - 00:01:53.080] Fred: Her name was Sue Enfield, yeah. [00:01:53.840 - 00:01:53.960] Fred: Well. [00:01:54.660 - 00:01:56.360] John: And then Clyde, so it's. [00:01:56.360 - 00:01:58.300] John: You married a girl in Canada. [00:01:58.880 - 00:01:59.740] John: Yeah, was that Ray? [00:02:00.280 - 00:02:01.120] John: Ray Douglas? [00:02:02.700 - 00:02:04.920] John: Must've been because you said Clyde was the gay. [00:02:05.600 - 00:02:06.100] John: Yeah. [00:02:06.100 - 00:02:08.060] Fred: Yeah, and then, well, it would've been either. [00:02:08.540 - 00:02:09.400] John: When there were two older brothers. [00:02:09.420 - 00:02:11.620] John: There was two, yeah, William and Ray. [00:02:11.760 - 00:02:12.800] Fred: I can't remember who William was. [00:02:12.980 - 00:02:14.460] John: Or maybe Douglas, did he go by Douglas? [00:02:15.060 - 00:02:15.180] Fred: Doug? [00:02:16.340 - 00:02:18.380] Fred: Because there was a William H. Enfield, [00:02:19.040 - 00:02:21.140] Fred: and then there was a Ray Douglas Enfield. [00:02:22.360 - 00:02:26.400] Fred: He was born in 1920, and William was born in 1919. [00:02:27.140 - 00:02:28.400] John: Well, actually, that's probably Ray. [00:02:29.580 - 00:02:31.660] Fred: Well, you know, they all go to Florida, you know. [00:02:31.840 - 00:02:32.360] John: Oh, yeah. [00:02:32.720 - 00:02:34.520] Fred: And they built houses, and you know, [00:02:34.520 - 00:02:35.320] John: they wanted to play video. [00:02:36.120 - 00:02:37.780] John: They just lived there for years. [00:02:39.020 - 00:02:41.340] John: And Ray, you know, shortly after that, [00:02:41.840 - 00:02:44.040] Fred: he went to Canada and married somebody. [00:02:44.400 - 00:02:44.640] John: Okay. [00:02:44.800 - 00:02:45.760] Fred: He wasn't a wealthy person. [00:02:46.160 - 00:02:46.320] John: Yeah. [00:02:46.580 - 00:02:48.020] Fred: Well, he's the only one I don't know who, [00:02:48.460 - 00:02:49.220] John: when he died. [00:02:49.960 - 00:02:51.000] John: So, maybe it's because he went to Canada. [00:02:52.060 - 00:02:52.340] Fred: Yeah. [00:02:52.560 - 00:02:55.160] John: I don't have a year when he died. [00:02:56.660 - 00:02:58.400] John: But Clyde died in 1980. [00:02:59.500 - 00:03:01.920] John: And then, the youngest Sue died in 1956. [00:03:01.920 - 00:03:04.520] Fred: So, that would have been your senior year in college. [00:03:06.060 - 00:03:06.460] John: Right, yeah. [00:03:06.740 - 00:03:08.700] Fred: Yeah, it was close to after high school. [00:03:09.240 - 00:03:09.520] John: Yeah. [00:03:10.140 - 00:03:10.780] Fred: That's sad. [00:03:12.040 - 00:03:12.060] Fred: Yeah. [00:03:12.060 - 00:03:13.120] Fred: Yeah, she was the same age as you. [00:03:13.260 - 00:03:13.940] Fred: She was born in 34. [00:03:15.020 - 00:03:15.080] John: Yeah. [00:03:15.700 - 00:03:16.260] Fred: That's me by age. [00:03:16.500 - 00:03:16.680] John: Yeah. [00:03:20.710 - 00:03:29.000] Fred: I guess what I remember most about is that the Sue [00:03:29.000 - 00:03:33.460] John: and Bill, Bill, Bill. [00:03:33.980 - 00:03:34.280] Fred: Yeah. [00:03:35.020 - 00:03:36.500] Fred: Oh, Will, Bill, right? [00:03:36.800 - 00:03:37.280] John: Yeah. [00:03:37.280 - 00:03:42.460] Fred: So, obviously, their oldest son was named after her husband. [00:03:42.760 - 00:03:43.540] John: That makes more sense. [00:03:44.940 - 00:03:45.140] Fred: Yeah. [00:03:46.420 - 00:03:46.900] John: Yeah. [00:03:46.900 - 00:03:48.480] Fred: And when I said, a lot of work, [00:03:49.160 - 00:03:49.840] Fred: we played the, [00:03:54.600 - 00:03:57.640] John: and the whole family came to the game. [00:03:57.960 - 00:03:59.040] John: Oh, with all the Enfields? [00:03:59.500 - 00:03:59.760] Fred: Yeah. [00:03:59.940 - 00:04:00.140] John: Yeah. [00:04:00.380 - 00:04:02.060] John: And probably a Margaret and George too. [00:04:02.200 - 00:04:02.700] John: Oh, okay. [00:04:02.960 - 00:04:03.800] John: They can't remember what. [00:04:08.240 - 00:04:08.440] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:14.600 - 00:04:17.380] John: Friends like Jim Bowers, I'm nervous about your names. [00:04:17.500 - 00:04:17.680] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:18.380 - 00:04:18.760] John: Yeah. [00:04:19.220 - 00:04:19.560] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:19.560 - 00:04:20.180] John: And Jack Starr. [00:04:20.440 - 00:04:20.620] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:20.900 - 00:04:22.780] John: You have three close friends who are all over the game. [00:04:22.940 - 00:04:23.120] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:23.780 - 00:04:25.140] John: They came from, they were high school friends. [00:04:25.260 - 00:04:25.980] Fred: They came from Wellson. [00:04:27.080 - 00:04:27.220] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:27.220 - 00:04:29.300] Fred: Well, we worked on High State. [00:04:29.480 - 00:04:29.640] John: Yeah. [00:04:30.480 - 00:04:37.590] Fred: And then, after the game, we went to Bill's house. [00:04:37.990 - 00:04:38.770] John: Mm-hmm. [00:04:38.870 - 00:04:39.190] John: And. [00:04:39.630 - 00:04:40.090] Fred: Bill entrance. [00:04:40.210 - 00:04:43.450] John: I fixed these guys up with dates from Heidelberg. [00:04:43.630 - 00:04:44.010] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:04:44.210 - 00:04:45.610] John: And I can't remember how they got there. [00:04:45.890 - 00:04:46.070] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:46.250 - 00:04:50.150] John: So, after the game, we all went to Bill's and Sue's house. [00:04:50.290 - 00:04:50.510] Fred: Yeah. [00:04:51.750 - 00:04:56.210] John: And it's shocking to even be a little bit. [00:04:58.030 - 00:04:59.550] Fred: They only had outdoor jobs. [00:05:00.650 - 00:05:05.330] John: And I don't think those college girls knew what it was. [00:05:05.590 - 00:05:05.750] Fred: Yeah. [00:05:06.230 - 00:05:07.330] Fred: Well, they've been away before. [00:05:07.530 - 00:05:08.010] Fred: Oh, how funny. [00:05:08.650 - 00:05:09.710] John: And this was in Wollston? [00:05:10.050 - 00:05:10.350] Fred: Or was it? [00:05:10.490 - 00:05:10.990] John: This was in the. [00:05:11.050 - 00:05:12.690] John: Capital where the other college ones. [00:05:12.990 - 00:05:13.090] Fred: Yeah. [00:05:13.410 - 00:05:14.830] John: They used to probably order home. [00:05:15.070 - 00:05:15.490] John: Yeah, yeah. [00:05:16.350 - 00:05:16.810] John: And. [00:05:17.110 - 00:05:17.650] Fred: That's funny. [00:05:19.350 - 00:05:22.390] John: But Sue was Bill or her husband. [00:05:23.170 - 00:05:24.310] Fred: He couldn't have a whole job. [00:05:25.450 - 00:05:27.550] John: So, Sue, I don't know what she did, but. [00:05:27.850 - 00:05:28.970] Fred: She often had to work. [00:05:29.270 - 00:05:30.890] Fred: Yeah, she had to work, take care of things. [00:05:33.910 - 00:05:35.090] John: And I'm trying to remember. [00:05:36.290 - 00:05:39.010] Fred: Well, she was just an older lady that. [00:05:39.010 - 00:05:39.230] John: Yeah. [00:05:40.530 - 00:05:44.050] Fred: Was setting her ways and married to this guy [00:05:44.050 - 00:05:44.630] John: that was a bum. [00:05:45.190 - 00:05:45.490] John: Yeah. [00:05:47.830 - 00:05:49.270] John: Was she close to Grandpa? [00:05:49.270 - 00:05:50.230] John: Well. [00:05:51.030 - 00:05:56.310] John: Well, it used to be Izzy and Wollston at Lake Elma. [00:05:57.330 - 00:06:00.730] John: Probably once a year, the family would take you out of there. [00:06:01.690 - 00:06:04.430] John: So, not everybody, but most cases they would all come. [00:06:04.770 - 00:06:06.070] John: They'd just have a barbecue. [00:06:06.650 - 00:06:07.050] John: Yeah. [00:06:07.190 - 00:06:07.810] Fred: And it took place. [00:06:07.970 - 00:06:08.450] John: That's nice. [00:06:09.030 - 00:06:10.790] Fred: I have an image of Lake Elma. [00:06:11.410 - 00:06:13.110] John: So, yeah, I could put that inside. [00:06:13.270 - 00:06:13.690] Fred: That's cool. [00:06:14.470 - 00:06:15.050] John: That's nice. [00:06:16.370 - 00:06:21.010] Fred: But I can't, you know, she was just nothing special about her, [00:06:21.090 - 00:06:23.890] John: I hate to say, but. [00:06:24.410 - 00:06:25.430] Fred: What was her personality like? [00:06:25.690 - 00:06:26.750] John: Was she friendly or? [00:06:27.710 - 00:06:29.850] Fred: Yeah, I thought she was friendly and nice, yeah. [00:06:30.810 - 00:06:36.890] John: And she seemed, oh, they're all friendly and nice. [00:06:37.030 - 00:06:42.330] Fred: She was always a worker and I don't know how her daughter [00:06:42.330 - 00:06:43.650] John: died, but she died. [00:06:43.990 - 00:06:45.630] Fred: Yeah, that must have been hard, yeah. [00:06:46.190 - 00:06:46.530] John: Normal death. [00:06:46.530 - 00:06:47.670] Fred: Oh, yeah. [00:06:47.850 - 00:06:50.990] John: There could have been drugs or I could have been anything. [00:06:51.190 - 00:06:52.330] Fred: Yeah, I have no idea, yeah. [00:06:54.030 - 00:06:54.850] John: That's awful. [00:06:56.230 - 00:07:00.870] Fred: Well, Margaret and George, that was dad's other. [00:07:01.170 - 00:07:02.530] John: Yeah, Margaret's child mama? [00:07:02.950 - 00:07:03.110] Fred: Yeah. [00:07:03.630 - 00:07:08.110] John: No, no, Margaret is a child mama's sister. [00:07:08.570 - 00:07:09.270] Fred: Oh, yeah, yeah, Margaret. [00:07:09.550 - 00:07:11.310] John: So, was she really called Aunt Cookie? [00:07:12.930 - 00:07:15.870] Fred: No, that was on Mary Ann's side, [00:07:15.870 - 00:07:16.650] John: Aunt Cookie? [00:07:17.790 - 00:07:18.010] Fred: Yeah, yeah. [00:07:18.190 - 00:07:19.070] John: So, that was on Mary Ann? [00:07:19.090 - 00:07:21.310] Fred: No, no, that was on Sandy's side, Sandy had Cookie. [00:07:21.670 - 00:07:23.010] John: Oh, Sandy had Aunt Cookie? [00:07:23.210 - 00:07:23.950] Fred: Yeah, she was a nurse. [00:07:24.350 - 00:07:24.790] John: Oh, okay. [00:07:25.690 - 00:07:27.250] Fred: Gosh, can I keep all these nicknames? [00:07:27.570 - 00:07:29.490] John: It was her mother's best friend. [00:07:29.550 - 00:07:30.330] Fred: Yeah, that doesn't seem wrong on the website. [00:07:30.890 - 00:07:32.110] John: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I actually met, [00:07:32.250 - 00:07:34.130] John: well, maybe I did, yeah, I have to fix that. [00:07:35.390 - 00:07:36.830] Fred: So, Margaret did have a nickname. [00:07:37.970 - 00:07:43.030] Fred: Oh, Margaret, she was just a mother that, you know, [00:07:43.030 - 00:07:47.130] John: she had a Jack, an Elvar. [00:07:47.530 - 00:07:47.810] John: Yeah. [00:07:48.710 - 00:07:50.550] Fred: You know, son and... [00:07:51.110 - 00:07:52.310] John: Yeah, Elvar, and the scarf house. [00:07:52.310 - 00:07:54.190] Fred: They were a great family, great family. [00:07:55.010 - 00:07:56.450] John: He was a house builder. [00:07:57.610 - 00:07:57.870] Fred: George West? [00:07:58.510 - 00:07:58.710] John: Yeah. [00:07:59.250 - 00:08:01.330] Fred: So, he built houses, and they were a nice house. [00:08:01.590 - 00:08:01.730] John: Yeah. [00:08:02.410 - 00:08:05.510] Fred: And Jack, his son, also became a house builder. [00:08:05.710 - 00:08:06.150] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:08:06.810 - 00:08:07.570] John: So, they were carpenters. [00:08:07.930 - 00:08:07.970] John: Yeah. [00:08:10.760 - 00:08:11.860] Fred: The one that Elvira did? [00:08:12.300 - 00:08:18.540] John: He was associated with teaching. [00:08:18.540 - 00:08:24.420] John: But it seemed like she did, she provided plans [00:08:25.400 - 00:08:28.520] John: for a city's school district, [00:08:28.860 - 00:08:30.700] John: getting food for lunch or something. [00:08:30.720 - 00:08:31.260] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:08:31.500 - 00:08:32.220] John: Something like that. [00:08:33.420 - 00:08:34.500] Fred: She was a lunch lady. [00:08:35.060 - 00:08:35.240] John: Yeah. [00:08:36.220 - 00:08:37.340] Fred: So, she worked for a school district, [00:08:37.540 - 00:08:38.180] Fred: but not as a teacher. [00:08:38.440 - 00:08:39.600] John: She worked in the food services. [00:08:39.640 - 00:08:41.060] Fred: Yeah, I would not, I don't know, [00:08:41.300 - 00:08:42.520] John: she probably graduated in college. [00:08:42.720 - 00:08:43.400] Fred: She was first of mine. [00:08:46.280 - 00:08:46.720] John: And... [00:08:46.720 - 00:08:48.760] Fred: And where did they live? [00:08:49.380 - 00:08:50.160] John: Outside of Columbus. [00:08:50.460 - 00:08:51.060] Fred: Outside of Columbus? [00:08:54.640 - 00:08:55.840] John: And where did Beezer live? [00:08:59.120 - 00:09:02.880] John: He, well, he had a trailer, a nice trailer. [00:09:03.200 - 00:09:05.300] Fred: He bought, you know, but it was in Wilson. [00:09:05.640 - 00:09:05.820] John: Yeah. [00:09:07.380 - 00:09:10.640] Fred: And he probably just, I don't know, [00:09:11.180 - 00:09:12.740] John: he probably just ran a house or something. [00:09:13.120 - 00:09:13.200] Fred: Yeah. [00:09:13.680 - 00:09:16.280] John: But it was primarily in like the Wilson area, [00:09:16.280 - 00:09:17.300] Fred: or where is he? [00:09:18.200 - 00:09:18.840] John: It was in Ohio? [00:09:20.080 - 00:09:20.980] Fred: No, he worked in Wilson. [00:09:21.440 - 00:09:22.480] John: Yeah, so he worked in Wilson. [00:09:22.980 - 00:09:25.100] Fred: Yeah, but he actually, what was, [00:09:26.880 - 00:09:29.000] Fred: or that he, it was in Jackson. [00:09:29.340 - 00:09:29.920] John: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:09:30.460 - 00:09:32.100] Fred: So, he probably was in Jackson, [00:09:32.300 - 00:09:34.160] John: but when we retired, he was in Wilson. [00:09:34.360 - 00:09:35.800] Fred: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. [00:09:36.560 - 00:09:39.500] John: And his wife and her daughter, [00:09:40.400 - 00:09:42.220] Fred: I think, you know, the Olympic other. [00:09:42.580 - 00:09:42.740] John: Yeah. [00:09:43.140 - 00:09:44.060] Fred: Somebody here, I'm not sure. [00:09:46.870 - 00:09:49.570] John: And so, Margaret, they lived in? [00:09:50.170 - 00:09:51.390] Fred: Just outside of Columbus. [00:09:51.510 - 00:09:52.930] John: Just outside of Columbus, yeah. [00:09:53.570 - 00:09:57.690] Fred: And then, Mary Ellen and Chow Mowler. [00:09:58.210 - 00:09:58.530] John: Yeah. [00:09:58.770 - 00:09:59.590] Fred: Where did they live? [00:10:00.410 - 00:10:03.950] Fred: Well, Chow Mowley lived in Wilson. [00:10:04.590 - 00:10:04.670] Fred: Yeah. [00:10:04.710 - 00:10:06.510] Fred: I missed the Logan's grocery store. [00:10:06.750 - 00:10:07.170] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:10:07.330 - 00:10:09.390] John: And she actually used to work part-time there. [00:10:09.550 - 00:10:09.790] Fred: Yeah. [00:10:10.990 - 00:10:13.970] John: And her husband died pretty young. [00:10:14.290 - 00:10:14.510] Fred: Yeah. [00:10:15.330 - 00:10:17.530] Fred: And did she, was she the one that rented [00:10:17.530 - 00:10:19.710] Fred: the apartment in Newmans, near Newmans? [00:10:20.030 - 00:10:20.770] Fred: Yeah, oh, yeah. [00:10:21.130 - 00:10:24.010] Fred: Yeah, so she, after her husband died, [00:10:24.430 - 00:10:26.110] John: did she rent that apartment behind Newmans? [00:10:26.570 - 00:10:29.390] Fred: No, I kind of think she always lived there. [00:10:29.590 - 00:10:30.110] John: Oh, did she? [00:10:30.210 - 00:10:31.630] Fred: And she always worked in Newmans, like. [00:10:31.870 - 00:10:32.230] John: Okay. [00:10:32.570 - 00:10:34.610] Fred: And her husband, I forget what he did, [00:10:34.690 - 00:10:37.130] John: but he had to rig her job until he died. [00:10:37.450 - 00:10:37.610] John: Yeah. [00:10:43.290 - 00:10:44.090] John: And then, [00:10:46.650 - 00:10:48.390] Fred: Charles was their only son. [00:10:49.170 - 00:10:51.810] John: Yeah, he lived in it, next to Newmans also. [00:10:52.010 - 00:10:52.250] Fred: Yeah. [00:10:52.890 - 00:10:53.370] Fred: Tell me. [00:10:54.030 - 00:10:55.290] Fred: And then, what did he end up doing? [00:10:55.590 - 00:10:56.090] Fred: What was his career? [00:10:58.470 - 00:11:00.370] Fred: Well, he worked at one of those, [00:11:04.200 - 00:11:06.620] John: wasn't a factory, but they made metal things, [00:11:06.760 - 00:11:07.460] John: some old form. [00:11:08.700 - 00:11:12.060] John: And so, he worked there until he got drafted [00:11:12.060 - 00:11:15.530] John: into the Korean War. [00:11:16.870 - 00:11:18.470] John: No, he would have been [00:11:19.450 - 00:11:21.490] Fred: in 1931, so that would have probably [00:11:21.490 - 00:11:22.730] John: been the Korean War, yeah. [00:11:23.310 - 00:11:25.350] Fred: Anyway, so he was drafted, [00:11:28.640 - 00:11:30.960] John: and that, but he, you know, [00:11:31.600 - 00:11:32.960] Fred: he didn't have much of a background [00:11:32.960 - 00:11:34.760] John: working for a small old place in Wellston. [00:11:34.940 - 00:11:35.180] John: Yeah. [00:11:35.560 - 00:11:38.000] John: So he went to the servers, he came out, [00:11:38.840 - 00:11:41.240] John: he ended up in San Diego. [00:11:41.600 - 00:11:42.140] John: Oh, okay. [00:11:42.620 - 00:11:44.920] John: And, well, let's say, no, that's wrong. [00:11:45.720 - 00:11:48.600] John: Before he went to San Diego, he went to Fresno. [00:11:49.180 - 00:11:49.660] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:11:51.280 - 00:11:54.440] John: And there, he finally got a decent job. [00:11:55.220 - 00:12:00.840] John: He got involved with providing the medicine [00:12:01.880 - 00:12:05.060] John: for, you know, drug stores, or any place that sells them. [00:12:05.580 - 00:12:08.080] John: And he would come in, and I think he actually [00:12:08.080 - 00:12:10.600] John: displayed it, and sold, you know, [00:12:10.740 - 00:12:12.260] John: whatever it took involved in that. [00:12:12.480 - 00:12:14.080] John: And he did that for many years, [00:12:14.280 - 00:12:17.120] John: and then he, I think, got a promotion or something, [00:12:17.240 - 00:12:19.200] John: and got a job in San Diego. [00:12:19.560 - 00:12:19.960] John: Oh, that's nice. [00:12:23.990 - 00:12:32.400] Fred: And the, and then you only, [00:12:32.700 - 00:12:36.000] John: the only stories you remember of Clarence [00:12:36.000 - 00:12:38.260] Fred: was that he was the one that got like a back, [00:12:38.520 - 00:12:41.760] Fred: he died as a child, but died in the head [00:12:41.760 - 00:12:42.540] Fred: with a cricket bat. [00:12:42.560 - 00:12:45.780] Fred: Yeah, I just heard that from, you know, [00:12:45.800 - 00:12:46.820] John: that was way more on my side. [00:12:46.820 - 00:12:48.740] Fred: Yeah, he died in like 1899. [00:12:49.480 - 00:12:52.420] Fred: And then Daniel, they always said he died in a fire [00:12:52.420 - 00:12:54.840] Fred: when he was 21, 1914. [00:12:54.840 - 00:12:56.660] Fred: Yeah, I just heard two of them died. [00:12:57.040 - 00:12:57.140] Fred: Yeah. [00:12:57.820 - 00:13:00.300] John: That's your right, and one would like hit the ball, [00:13:00.640 - 00:13:01.680] Fred: baseball bat or something. [00:13:02.220 - 00:13:03.380] John: Yeah, they're by far, yeah. [00:13:04.220 - 00:13:06.040] Fred: And then I read Grandma Marianne, [00:13:06.280 - 00:13:08.680] Fred: I found her, she wrote like a family tree [00:13:08.680 - 00:13:09.260] John: in her handwriting. [00:13:09.720 - 00:13:09.920] John: Yeah. [00:13:10.100 - 00:13:12.200] John: And she said somewhere around this time [00:13:12.200 - 00:13:17.960] John: that maybe, I'm trying to look at the timeline, [00:13:21.320 - 00:13:23.960] Fred: like, like between maybe, [00:13:25.600 - 00:13:27.600] John: Margaret was born in 1907, [00:13:27.880 - 00:13:30.340] Fred: and then Grandpa wasn't born until 1913, [00:13:30.940 - 00:13:32.880] John: that there was a stillborn baby. [00:13:34.920 - 00:13:36.480] Fred: I think, I didn't know about that, [00:13:36.520 - 00:13:38.060] John: but I did hear that somewhere along the way. [00:13:39.320 - 00:13:41.400] John: So my guess is that was probably right before Grandpa. [00:13:41.660 - 00:13:41.800] John: Yeah. [00:13:42.040 - 00:13:44.620] John: Because there's enough years there, [00:13:46.720 - 00:13:48.340] John: you know, eight, what was that? [00:13:48.800 - 00:13:51.340] John: Six years, and that's the most years between [00:13:52.140 - 00:13:53.700] John: any of the kids being born. [00:13:54.840 - 00:13:56.240] John: That makes me think that maybe. [00:13:57.360 - 00:13:59.960] John: Yeah, one thing I always wondered is, [00:14:02.220 - 00:14:05.920] Fred: Mike, my grandfather, you know, [00:14:06.580 - 00:14:08.360] John: did he actually build that house in Austin? [00:14:08.980 - 00:14:09.100] Fred: Yeah. [00:14:10.520 - 00:14:12.420] John: Or, I still think he probably did. [00:14:12.800 - 00:14:12.960] Fred: Yeah. [00:14:13.780 - 00:14:15.280] John: Well, what I did notice is that [00:14:15.760 - 00:14:17.720] Fred: all those homes were built in 1890. [00:14:19.040 - 00:14:21.280] John: So that makes me wonder if, you know, [00:14:21.400 - 00:14:24.360] Fred: someone came in and built a bunch of homes [00:14:24.360 - 00:14:26.820] John: and then people had them, because if you, [00:14:27.140 - 00:14:28.520] Fred: you know, I started looking at all the homes [00:14:28.520 - 00:14:31.340] John: in that area, and a lot of them say, [00:14:31.900 - 00:14:33.620] Fred: built in 1890, built in 1890. [00:14:34.300 - 00:14:35.780] Fred: And so, but it's interesting, [00:14:35.940 - 00:14:37.380] John: because if you go down to Seastree, [00:14:37.440 - 00:14:38.920] John: just past that home, it kind of dead ends. [00:14:39.520 - 00:14:42.500] John: So do you remember what was at the end of the street [00:14:42.500 - 00:14:44.000] John: when you were growing up there? [00:14:44.680 - 00:14:46.580] John: But that house was built later. [00:14:46.960 - 00:14:48.340] John: But the house that's there now. [00:14:48.840 - 00:14:50.660] Fred: There was older people, and I got to know them, [00:14:50.780 - 00:14:52.100] John: they were just kind of friends. [00:14:52.580 - 00:14:54.900] Fred: And the house crossed them there, [00:14:57.120 - 00:14:59.120] John: I guess way back when, [00:15:00.600 - 00:15:02.280] Fred: that house was empty a lot. [00:15:02.620 - 00:15:03.220] John: Yeah, okay. [00:15:03.420 - 00:15:05.140] Fred: And then I used to think it was like a ghost house. [00:15:05.260 - 00:15:05.620] John: Oh yeah. [00:15:05.860 - 00:15:09.100] Fred: And I'd go through and get in the bedrooms, [00:15:09.280 - 00:15:11.080] John: and I'd find these doors that go in the attic, [00:15:11.440 - 00:15:12.200] Fred: and explore. [00:15:13.260 - 00:15:15.220] John: And then, but one of the, [00:15:15.860 - 00:15:19.220] Fred: doesn't matter, but one of the girls [00:15:19.220 - 00:15:20.960] John: that was in my high school, [00:15:23.340 - 00:15:25.280] Fred: I think she died in that house. [00:15:25.440 - 00:15:25.820] Fred: Oh wow. [00:15:25.820 - 00:15:28.160] John: I'm not sure of that, but somehow, [00:15:28.760 - 00:15:30.420] Fred: when I was in college, after college, [00:15:31.720 - 00:15:34.780] Fred: somehow she must get involved in that house. [00:15:35.040 - 00:15:38.080] Fred: I don't know what happened, but she died this time. [00:15:40.620 - 00:15:42.160] Fred: So when you think of your house, [00:15:42.480 - 00:15:45.360] John: when you walk in, like the front door, [00:15:45.740 - 00:15:48.140] John: describe like that house, what you saw, [00:15:48.420 - 00:15:50.420] John: like what was to the right, what was to the left? [00:15:50.920 - 00:15:54.460] John: To the left of it was like a formal living room. [00:15:54.460 - 00:15:54.840] Fred: Yeah. [00:15:55.720 - 00:16:00.460] John: To the right was like a family room with a big fire. [00:16:00.980 - 00:16:01.440] Fred: Fireplace, yeah. [00:16:01.860 - 00:16:03.880] John: Yeah, the pipes would get red hot and all that. [00:16:03.880 - 00:16:06.240] Fred: Like a cold fireplace, is that what they used to eat, [00:16:06.400 - 00:16:07.560] Fred: the house, the cold fire? [00:16:08.320 - 00:16:12.280] John: And it had vents up above there [00:16:12.280 - 00:16:14.300] Fred: to go heat the upstairs of those rooms. [00:16:15.180 - 00:16:16.760] Fred: And then as you go through the fireplace, [00:16:17.200 - 00:16:18.720] Fred: then you had a dining room on the right. [00:16:18.920 - 00:16:19.220] John: Okay. [00:16:19.620 - 00:16:21.620] Fred: And then on the left was the kitchen, [00:16:22.360 - 00:16:23.900] John: and the sink, and on the table. [00:16:24.540 - 00:16:25.220] Fred: That's it. [00:16:25.660 - 00:16:28.520] John: And then when you go from the kitchen [00:16:29.100 - 00:16:30.520] Fred: back to the dining room, [00:16:30.960 - 00:16:32.160] John: go to the end of the house [00:16:32.560 - 00:16:34.100] Fred: and you take steps to get upstairs. [00:16:34.640 - 00:16:36.580] John: Yeah, and there was three bedrooms upstairs? [00:16:36.740 - 00:16:37.060] Fred: Two bedrooms. [00:16:37.200 - 00:16:37.540] John: Two bedrooms. [00:16:38.060 - 00:16:40.000] Fred: They had an addition to the third bedroom [00:16:40.000 - 00:16:41.820] John: and sometime in the last 50 years. [00:16:41.820 - 00:16:43.160] Fred: They probably did, I don't know. [00:16:43.480 - 00:16:44.360] John: But when I was there. [00:16:44.480 - 00:16:45.160] Fred: There was two bedrooms. [00:16:45.420 - 00:16:45.760] John: Two bedrooms. [00:16:46.560 - 00:16:47.620] Fred: And as you walk up the stairs, [00:16:47.840 - 00:16:49.140] John: the first bedroom was where I slept. [00:16:49.660 - 00:16:49.840] John: Yeah. [00:16:50.220 - 00:16:52.200] John: And then the second bedroom, my parents slept. [00:16:52.200 - 00:16:52.580] John: Yeah. [00:16:52.700 - 00:16:54.140] Fred: And then when I was a kid, [00:16:54.780 - 00:16:55.860] John: that was all there was. [00:16:56.040 - 00:16:56.200] Fred: Yeah. [00:16:56.700 - 00:16:58.740] John: But when the help was I. [00:16:59.060 - 00:17:00.460] John: But it's interesting because [00:17:00.460 - 00:17:02.220] John: when you were really little, [00:17:02.720 - 00:17:06.320] John: Ike was there and your dad and Mary Ann. [00:17:06.980 - 00:17:09.180] John: So my guess is probably you were a baby. [00:17:09.640 - 00:17:11.480] John: You were probably in the other room with. [00:17:11.700 - 00:17:12.380] Fred: My dad. [00:17:12.480 - 00:17:13.380] John: With your mom and dad. [00:17:13.560 - 00:17:15.520] John: And Ike was in the other room till he passed. [00:17:15.780 - 00:17:16.020] John: Yeah. [00:17:16.280 - 00:17:18.000] Fred: And that's probably what it was, yeah. [00:17:19.560 - 00:17:20.160] John: Oh, I'm sorry. [00:17:20.300 - 00:17:21.160] Fred: When you were a little bit older. [00:17:21.760 - 00:17:22.740] Fred: No, I was. [00:17:25.430 - 00:17:26.850] Fred: Did you stay in that one room? [00:17:26.930 - 00:17:27.490] Fred: Well, when I was. [00:17:28.490 - 00:17:29.510] Fred: I don't know, let's say. [00:17:30.310 - 00:17:31.770] John: I guess eighth grade. [00:17:33.470 - 00:17:36.350] Fred: My dad found an old, [00:17:37.110 - 00:17:38.730] Fred: guy looked like he was already years old. [00:17:38.870 - 00:17:39.030] Fred: Yeah. [00:17:39.390 - 00:17:42.610] Fred: Up the street that knew how to build things. [00:17:42.730 - 00:17:43.890] Fred: You know, like bathrooms and things. [00:17:44.230 - 00:17:45.330] Fred: But he was not very handy. [00:17:45.590 - 00:17:45.790] John: Yeah. [00:17:45.950 - 00:17:47.190] Fred: I mean, he was dangerous. [00:17:48.210 - 00:17:49.830] John: So anyway, my dad didn't know, [00:17:49.970 - 00:17:51.530] Fred: I guess he didn't know how to do it at all. [00:17:53.450 - 00:17:55.010] Fred: So this guy came in. [00:17:55.350 - 00:17:56.990] John: And as you come up the stairs upstairs, [00:17:57.530 - 00:18:00.570] John: first of the first room was why I slept. [00:18:01.490 - 00:18:03.170] John: But there was a little small hallway [00:18:03.170 - 00:18:05.330] John: that right into a new door, [00:18:05.530 - 00:18:07.750] John: which they opened up, they expanded and made a bathroom. [00:18:08.030 - 00:18:08.670] John: Oh, okay. [00:18:09.070 - 00:18:10.430] John: And they had a bathroom upstairs and a closet. [00:18:10.830 - 00:18:11.290] John: Oh, wow. [00:18:12.110 - 00:18:12.370] John: And. [00:18:12.870 - 00:18:13.770] John: So that would have been, [00:18:13.990 - 00:18:15.110] John: do you think that was probably, [00:18:16.030 - 00:18:17.210] Fred: so if you were eight, [00:18:17.550 - 00:18:18.710] John: so that would have been. [00:18:19.090 - 00:18:19.450] John: Eighth grade. [00:18:19.750 - 00:18:19.870] John: Eighth grade. [00:18:20.510 - 00:18:21.250] John: Oh, eighth grade. [00:18:21.490 - 00:18:22.090] John: So that would have been, [00:18:22.370 - 00:18:24.930] Fred: so by that time Ike would have passed away. [00:18:25.590 - 00:18:27.650] John: And so he had already probably purchased the house. [00:18:28.330 - 00:18:30.630] Fred: So it was grandpa's house. [00:18:31.170 - 00:18:32.650] John: Yeah, but he, I'm trying to remember. [00:18:34.750 - 00:18:36.510] John: I'm not sure what he purchased it. [00:18:38.660 - 00:18:40.520] John: I'm trying to remember what he paid for it. [00:18:43.820 - 00:18:44.500] John: Let's see. [00:18:46.160 - 00:18:46.960] John: Be sure it was, [00:18:47.800 - 00:18:51.480] John: anyway, my dad probably, [00:18:53.230 - 00:18:54.410] John: after my eighth grade probably. [00:18:55.010 - 00:18:57.450] John: In the summer, two years, [00:18:57.750 - 00:19:01.590] John: probably in sixth grade to high school. [00:19:02.650 - 00:19:05.530] John: Probably, this is probably sixth grade [00:19:05.530 - 00:19:06.630] John: to sophomore high school. [00:19:06.750 - 00:19:10.230] John: My dad bought the house from his family. [00:19:10.510 - 00:19:10.710] John: Yeah. [00:19:11.110 - 00:19:14.030] John: And he gave like 50 or like a hundred dollars each. [00:19:14.150 - 00:19:16.690] John: Oh, tempies and everybody else's sisters. [00:19:17.030 - 00:19:17.190] John: Yeah. [00:19:17.530 - 00:19:18.230] John: Oh, everybody was alive. [00:19:18.490 - 00:19:19.130] John: Yeah, yeah. [00:19:19.690 - 00:19:23.030] John: And so, you know, [00:19:23.030 - 00:19:26.830] John: he kept that house all those years [00:19:27.470 - 00:19:31.210] John: until he left Wellson and worked all his factories. [00:19:32.990 - 00:19:37.270] John: So you stayed in the house from spring of, [00:19:37.270 - 00:19:40.070] Fred: or winter probably of 57 until August, [00:19:40.310 - 00:19:43.110] John: when you graduated your electric degree [00:19:43.110 - 00:19:44.310] Fred: and then you guys went to Rochester. [00:19:45.170 - 00:19:46.710] Fred: So how much longer after that [00:19:46.710 - 00:19:49.030] Fred: did grandpa keep the house before he sold it? [00:19:49.130 - 00:19:50.390] Fred: Because he was already in Manchester. [00:19:51.090 - 00:19:52.290] John: He kept it. [00:19:52.350 - 00:19:53.830] Fred: I was trying to stick that out. [00:19:53.970 - 00:20:00.360] Fred: I'm not sure, but it's at least 25 years, I think, [00:20:00.620 - 00:20:02.260] John: a long time, 20 years, so like that. [00:20:02.560 - 00:20:03.060] Fred: Oh, total. [00:20:04.020 - 00:20:05.760] John: You're saying he kept it 25 years after? [00:20:06.820 - 00:20:08.960] Fred: I was building, what, in 1899. [00:20:09.500 - 00:20:09.740] John: Yeah. [00:20:10.560 - 00:20:12.320] John: So I'm just saying how long after 1957? [00:20:12.960 - 00:20:13.660] Fred: It was quite a while [00:20:13.660 - 00:20:15.620] John: because he traveled all over the country. [00:20:16.440 - 00:20:18.720] Fred: And so he still had that house that he ever rented out? [00:20:18.960 - 00:20:20.180] John: Yeah, he rented out all the time. [00:20:20.200 - 00:20:21.380] Fred: Oh, I didn't realize that. [00:20:21.700 - 00:20:21.840] John: Okay. [00:20:21.840 - 00:20:23.500] Fred: So through the 60s and 70s, [00:20:23.560 - 00:20:25.260] Fred: it was rented out until he retired. [00:20:25.420 - 00:20:26.240] Fred: Is that when he sold it? [00:20:26.760 - 00:20:28.760] John: Well, I think it was, I'm only guessing, [00:20:29.200 - 00:20:31.520] Fred: probably five to 10 years before he retired. [00:20:31.600 - 00:20:32.220] John: Oh, okay. [00:20:32.300 - 00:20:33.100] Fred: That makes more sense. [00:20:33.360 - 00:20:34.900] John: Because he was getting him in from it, [00:20:35.200 - 00:20:37.320] Fred: and then I figured out that he had to upkeep [00:20:37.320 - 00:20:39.080] John: and all that and he better sell it. [00:20:39.480 - 00:20:39.700] Fred: Yeah. [00:20:41.260 - 00:20:42.340] John: Oh, that's interesting. [00:20:42.540 - 00:20:44.580] John: So it stayed in the family almost 100 years, [00:20:44.760 - 00:20:45.520] John: probably eight years. [00:20:46.200 - 00:20:47.200] Fred: Yeah, probably quite a lot. [00:20:47.400 - 00:20:47.600] John: Yeah. [00:20:48.720 - 00:20:50.880] Fred: So, wow, that is pretty cool. [00:20:54.550 - 00:20:56.810] Fred: But anyway, I used to back that. [00:20:57.470 - 00:20:59.490] Fred: When I told you that the girlfriends [00:20:59.490 - 00:21:01.390] Fred: that I picked up my buddies with. [00:21:03.290 - 00:21:06.130] John: It really, they used to come out of work. [00:21:06.570 - 00:21:06.850] John: Yeah. [00:21:07.390 - 00:21:09.330] John: Maybe once or twice a year. [00:21:09.810 - 00:21:10.550] John: So what was the name? [00:21:10.750 - 00:21:12.150] John: In the yearbook, there's a girl you're hugging. [00:21:12.850 - 00:21:14.050] John: Do you remember what her name was? [00:21:14.630 - 00:21:16.430] Fred: In your high school yearbook, your senior year. [00:21:16.770 - 00:21:18.250] John: There's a girl that you're kind of hugging [00:21:18.250 - 00:21:18.890] Fred: in the yearbook. [00:21:19.110 - 00:21:19.690] John: Yeah, Lenore Gillen. [00:21:20.010 - 00:21:20.650] Fred: What was her name? [00:21:21.110 - 00:21:21.510] John: Lenore. [00:21:21.870 - 00:21:23.230] Fred: Lenore Gillen. [00:21:23.230 - 00:21:26.870] Fred: Like Gillen, her husband, I mean, her husband. [00:21:27.150 - 00:21:29.930] Fred: Her dad was the... [00:21:29.930 - 00:21:30.190] Fred: The judge? [00:21:30.830 - 00:21:31.690] Fred: Yeah, judge, yeah. [00:21:31.710 - 00:21:33.670] Fred: Okay, I remember you telling that story. [00:21:34.930 - 00:21:40.290] Fred: And he knew of Beezer because he was in jail a lot. [00:21:40.510 - 00:21:43.070] Fred: Oh, so that's like he was probably worried [00:21:43.070 - 00:21:44.410] Fred: about you, her name. [00:21:44.650 - 00:21:45.310] John: Yeah, he was. [00:21:47.270 - 00:21:48.310] Fred: Oh, that's funny. [00:21:50.690 - 00:21:51.630] John: That's really funny. [00:21:53.270 - 00:21:54.370] Fred: Oh, that's great. [00:21:55.950 - 00:21:57.250] Fred: That's a great story. [00:21:57.730 - 00:22:02.330] Fred: But Beezer, when he retired, he had like a mobile home, [00:22:02.430 - 00:22:03.470] Fred: but it was really nice. [00:22:03.730 - 00:22:04.310] Fred: I was surprised. [00:22:04.770 - 00:22:04.870] John: Yeah. [00:22:05.090 - 00:22:05.610] Fred: What was that? [00:22:07.730 - 00:22:11.510] John: So when, probably in the thirties and forties, [00:22:11.630 - 00:22:15.190] Fred: he was like a carny, and then at some point, [00:22:15.230 - 00:22:16.870] John: he went back to the furnace work. [00:22:17.010 - 00:22:17.410] Fred: Yeah, yeah. [00:22:17.530 - 00:22:19.530] Fred: And he worked, probably most of his career [00:22:19.530 - 00:22:20.430] John: is in the furnace work. [00:22:20.650 - 00:22:21.570] John: Yeah, yeah. [00:22:22.670 - 00:22:24.110] Fred: Which is hard work, but yeah. [00:22:24.110 - 00:22:27.930] John: I was probably in high school, like a, I don't know, [00:22:28.170 - 00:22:30.270] Fred: basically a senior, you know, I don't even remember. [00:22:30.650 - 00:22:31.850] John: When you saw him in the furnace? [00:22:31.870 - 00:22:32.110] Fred: Yeah. [00:22:32.410 - 00:22:33.290] Fred: Yeah, when you were in high school, yeah. [00:22:37.630 - 00:22:41.870] John: Now, what do you remember of Mike? [00:22:43.450 - 00:22:45.790] Fred: So let me make sure, let me look at this, [00:22:45.930 - 00:22:46.910] John: make sure I get this right. [00:22:47.350 - 00:22:53.170] Fred: So William had several kids. [00:22:53.850 - 00:22:55.630] John: Catherine, she died in 1965. [00:22:56.370 - 00:22:58.190] Fred: So I don't know if you remember Catherine. [00:22:58.230 - 00:23:01.610] John: She was, so she was Beezer's oldest daughter. [00:23:05.390 - 00:23:06.670] Fred: No, no, no, I'm sorry. [00:23:07.150 - 00:23:08.950] John: I'm thinking of, yeah. [00:23:13.290 - 00:23:16.730] John: So yeah, Beezer's oldest daughter is Catherine McGarvey. [00:23:17.270 - 00:23:19.010] John: Then you had Clarence Eugene McGarvey. [00:23:19.250 - 00:23:20.170] John: I assume that's Mike. [00:23:21.010 - 00:23:23.450] John: And then there's Ellen Jean Gabriel. [00:23:24.370 - 00:23:26.270] John: That's Mike's youngest sister. [00:23:29.320 - 00:23:30.360] John: I don't remember that. [00:23:30.360 - 00:23:31.460] John: You don't remember those names? [00:23:32.140 - 00:23:32.880] John: I don't remember Mike. [00:23:33.140 - 00:23:34.840] John: I told you it was Phil's name and his kids. [00:23:35.220 - 00:23:38.300] John: Cause William McGarvey, Beezer died in 1975 [00:23:38.300 - 00:23:40.220] John: and he married Mabel. [00:23:40.960 - 00:23:42.000] John: Do you remember Mabel? [00:23:43.100 - 00:23:44.140] Fred: That was his wife's name? [00:23:44.480 - 00:23:45.040] John: Yeah, I think so. [00:23:45.060 - 00:23:47.280] Fred: Maybe that was his first wife's name that you didn't know. [00:23:47.540 - 00:23:48.920] John: I don't remember her at all. [00:23:49.180 - 00:23:49.780] John: Mabel, yeah. [00:23:50.000 - 00:23:50.360] John: So that must have been- [00:23:50.360 - 00:23:52.260] John: The second one, I'm not sure it was Mabel, but- [00:23:52.260 - 00:23:54.360] John: Yeah, his first wife died in 1971, [00:23:54.520 - 00:23:56.460] John: but I think maybe they were separated for a while. [00:23:56.960 - 00:23:58.480] Fred: So I need to get his second wife. [00:23:58.480 - 00:24:00.260] Fred: So you remember his second wife, [00:24:00.420 - 00:24:01.960] John: which had a Filipino name? [00:24:02.540 - 00:24:02.620] Fred: Yeah. [00:24:03.220 - 00:24:05.120] John: I don't know if it was Mabel or something else. [00:24:05.120 - 00:24:06.100] Fred: Yeah, so that- [00:24:06.100 - 00:24:06.880] John: And then she had a daughter, [00:24:07.100 - 00:24:08.640] Fred: but I didn't know it was his daughter. [00:24:09.080 - 00:24:09.200] John: Yeah. [00:24:09.820 - 00:24:11.660] Fred: So I think these, you might've known them [00:24:11.660 - 00:24:16.580] Fred: because maybe they lived with his first wife. [00:24:17.940 - 00:24:20.480] Fred: Maybe that's why you never really knew them. [00:24:20.740 - 00:24:22.700] Fred: It makes sense that their oldest daughter [00:24:22.700 - 00:24:27.560] Fred: will stay with her mom, Catherine McGarvey. [00:24:27.560 - 00:24:30.920] Fred: Yeah, but the oldest daughter I thought was [00:24:31.640 - 00:24:35.800] Fred: the daughter of the woman he married, but not his. [00:24:36.120 - 00:24:38.760] Fred: But I don't know for sure about that. [00:24:38.940 - 00:24:43.800] John: Well, there was a Catherine McGarvey who was born in 1921. [00:24:44.880 - 00:24:46.640] Fred: So she would have been with his first wife. [00:24:48.200 - 00:24:51.980] Fred: And my guess is that he was estranged. [00:24:52.280 - 00:24:53.020] John: I never saw her. [00:24:53.100 - 00:24:56.380] John: Yeah, and then there was Mike, [00:24:56.380 - 00:24:59.980] John: I assume it was born in 1923, right? [00:25:00.440 - 00:25:00.760] John: Yeah, probably. [00:25:01.120 - 00:25:03.060] John: And that's that, but his name is Clarence Eugene, [00:25:03.300 - 00:25:04.120] Fred: but you guys call him Mike. [00:25:04.800 - 00:25:06.460] John: So I have no idea why his name Mike. [00:25:06.940 - 00:25:07.640] Fred: That's very confusing. [00:25:08.180 - 00:25:09.660] John: But it says he died in 1968. [00:25:10.680 - 00:25:11.940] Fred: Yeah, he died very young. [00:25:12.280 - 00:25:13.120] John: Yeah, do you remember, [00:25:13.240 - 00:25:15.140] Fred: what do you remember about him? [00:25:16.800 - 00:25:18.720] John: Well, yeah, the first most important thing is [00:25:19.240 - 00:25:21.240] Fred: probably if he hadn't went in the service, [00:25:21.480 - 00:25:23.240] John: he might've been a professional baseball player. [00:25:23.320 - 00:25:23.720] John: Oh, really? [00:25:24.160 - 00:25:24.980] John: He was that good. [00:25:25.240 - 00:25:25.440] John: Wow. [00:25:25.440 - 00:25:28.020] John: He had arms, unbelievable, big. [00:25:29.680 - 00:25:30.680] John: And it was interesting. [00:25:32.580 - 00:25:35.880] John: He was a catcher in baseball, basically. [00:25:36.100 - 00:25:36.260] John: Yeah. [00:25:36.800 - 00:25:41.420] John: And he was famous for telling people out in second base. [00:25:41.640 - 00:25:42.080] John: Oh, yeah. [00:25:42.460 - 00:25:46.840] John: And he would always catch, drop the ball. [00:25:47.940 - 00:25:48.400] Fred: And- [00:25:48.400 - 00:25:48.520] John: On purpose. [00:25:49.000 - 00:25:50.500] John: On purpose, yeah, I told you that probably before. [00:25:51.140 - 00:25:53.780] Fred: And it was a lot of interesting stories that, [00:25:54.700 - 00:25:57.720] John: I started playing baseball at the same time he was. [00:25:58.900 - 00:26:02.540] Fred: And I was going to college and on the summer, [00:26:02.840 - 00:26:05.280] Fred: that summer, baseball, [00:26:05.980 - 00:26:07.760] John: well, we won baseball, softball we're playing. [00:26:08.120 - 00:26:08.280] Fred: Yeah. [00:26:09.380 - 00:26:10.220] Fred: It was very popular. [00:26:10.640 - 00:26:11.520] John: It was after the war. [00:26:11.860 - 00:26:12.000] John: Yeah. [00:26:13.460 - 00:26:16.860] John: And they had games to start at six o'clock [00:26:16.860 - 00:26:18.860] Fred: and last one at 11 o'clock. [00:26:18.900 - 00:26:19.260] John: Yeah. [00:26:19.540 - 00:26:21.440] Fred: On the fields, they were busy. [00:26:21.840 - 00:26:22.060] John: Yeah. [00:26:22.460 - 00:26:25.940] Fred: And so I played for two different teams, [00:26:26.720 - 00:26:28.340] John: but with Mike, [00:26:30.520 - 00:26:32.280] Fred: during that period of time, [00:26:32.720 - 00:26:34.980] Fred: he moved away and worked for another company. [00:26:35.800 - 00:26:37.020] John: And his main job was, [00:26:37.240 - 00:26:38.760] Fred: I think playing baseball or softball, [00:26:39.340 - 00:26:43.180] John: but he would work like 10 days [00:26:43.180 - 00:26:44.740] Fred: and get a week off or something like that. [00:26:44.880 - 00:26:44.960] John: Wow. [00:26:46.200 - 00:26:46.560] Fred: And, but anyway, [00:26:47.240 - 00:26:49.240] John: but he didn't always come back to play baseball. [00:26:49.240 - 00:26:56.800] John: So, well, I followed my sophomore or junior in college. [00:26:58.100 - 00:27:00.400] John: I made the All-Star team catching it in Wellstone [00:27:00.400 - 00:27:02.320] John: before all the teams. [00:27:02.740 - 00:27:02.920] John: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:03.120 - 00:27:05.800] John: And I was supposed to catch, [00:27:06.060 - 00:27:07.340] John: I think it was over 4th of July. [00:27:07.580 - 00:27:07.840] John: Yeah. [00:27:08.680 - 00:27:12.000] Fred: And Sandy was going to visit, [00:27:12.180 - 00:27:15.760] John: went to Cleveland and she was going to visit her girlfriend. [00:27:15.860 - 00:27:16.180] John: Yeah. [00:27:18.320 - 00:27:21.140] John: It's in Ohio, I can't think where it was right now. [00:27:21.800 - 00:27:23.320] John: And my choice was, [00:27:23.780 - 00:27:26.680] John: do I, I was going to catch also? [00:27:27.060 - 00:27:27.160] John: Yeah. [00:27:28.040 - 00:27:29.480] John: Or do I go see her? [00:27:29.740 - 00:27:29.980] John: Yeah. [00:27:30.320 - 00:27:31.300] John: So I went to see her. [00:27:32.900 - 00:27:34.780] John: So I had to hike up to, [00:27:35.820 - 00:27:37.860] John: in Ohio, there's a town that has, [00:27:38.740 - 00:27:40.360] John: is it three bridges together? [00:27:41.520 - 00:27:42.240] Fred: I think I need to know it. [00:27:42.700 - 00:27:44.020] John: I know, I can think of it later on. [00:27:44.020 - 00:27:47.700] Fred: Anyway, so I hitchhiked up there. [00:27:47.940 - 00:27:48.160] John: Oh, wow. [00:27:48.480 - 00:27:50.840] Fred: And then I stayed in a men's dormitory. [00:27:51.000 - 00:27:51.220] Fred: Yeah. [00:27:51.320 - 00:27:52.780] John: That's why I'm saying that. [00:27:53.920 - 00:27:55.200] John: And Sandy was with her girlfriend. [00:27:55.640 - 00:27:57.140] John: And then of course, [00:27:57.620 - 00:28:00.580] John: they were going to drive the two girls to college. [00:28:00.900 - 00:28:01.060] John: Yeah. [00:28:01.200 - 00:28:02.840] Fred: So I had to ride back to the college. [00:28:03.000 - 00:28:03.420] John: Oh, yeah. [00:28:03.580 - 00:28:03.900] Fred: So. [00:28:04.280 - 00:28:05.160] John: I thought you were going to say, [00:28:05.260 - 00:28:06.620] John: then Mike filled in for you. [00:28:07.360 - 00:28:08.140] Fred: And then he was like. [00:28:08.300 - 00:28:10.460] John: No, it was, somebody else filled in. [00:28:10.520 - 00:28:10.820] Fred: Yeah. [00:28:11.460 - 00:28:12.460] John: Mike was one of the, [00:28:12.800 - 00:28:14.400] Fred: he was the all-star team came in to play [00:28:14.400 - 00:28:16.080] Fred: and he was an all-star or a well-star. [00:28:16.280 - 00:28:16.720] Fred: Oh, yeah. [00:28:18.260 - 00:28:19.940] Fred: So he was like, [00:28:20.780 - 00:28:24.280] Fred: so he must've been like 13, 14 years older than you. [00:28:24.760 - 00:28:28.340] Fred: I don't know, I thought he was like six, [00:28:28.660 - 00:28:29.440] Fred: but I'm not sure. [00:28:30.140 - 00:28:31.500] Fred: Yeah, because I think he was born in. [00:28:31.860 - 00:28:33.500] John: You said he was 23. [00:28:35.620 - 00:28:36.740] Fred: So maybe he was 11 years older. [00:28:37.060 - 00:28:37.140] John: Well. [00:28:38.700 - 00:28:41.900] Fred: If this is him, I mean, Clarence Eugene McGarvey, [00:28:41.900 - 00:28:43.220] John: there's no Mike McGarvey. [00:28:43.980 - 00:28:44.760] Fred: Well, it's got to be, [00:28:45.340 - 00:28:47.800] John: it would be somewhere between seven and 11 years. [00:28:47.940 - 00:28:49.220] Fred: Yeah, so it would have to have been him. [00:28:49.760 - 00:28:52.620] John: But then someone born two years after him [00:28:53.100 - 00:28:55.420] Fred: was Helen Jean McGarvey. [00:28:55.980 - 00:28:57.620] John: And you've never heard of that name either. [00:28:58.480 - 00:29:02.760] Fred: So he had two daughters with his first wife and then Mike. [00:29:06.040 - 00:29:07.100] John: Well, you're talking about Beezer now. [00:29:07.440 - 00:29:08.020] Fred: Yeah, Beezer. [00:29:08.460 - 00:29:09.680] John: Yeah, Beezer, [00:29:10.740 - 00:29:12.000] Fred: the only thing I remember, [00:29:13.000 - 00:29:15.400] John: he lived with our family a little bit, [00:29:15.440 - 00:29:16.400] Fred: and I can't remember that, [00:29:16.520 - 00:29:17.360] John: except I know he did. [00:29:18.160 - 00:29:19.780] Fred: And then he married this other lady, [00:29:20.000 - 00:29:22.520] John: and so I didn't know any of his family before that. [00:29:22.580 - 00:29:22.720] John: Yeah. [00:29:23.080 - 00:29:23.460] Fred: They were sold. [00:29:23.560 - 00:29:25.500] John: So my guess is he was an alcoholic back then, [00:29:25.520 - 00:29:26.780] John: and he was constantly getting in trouble. [00:29:27.040 - 00:29:27.120] John: Yeah. [00:29:28.000 - 00:29:30.580] John: They probably would have got divorced or he, [00:29:31.320 - 00:29:32.220] John: they lived- [00:29:32.220 - 00:29:33.080] John: And once he got sober, [00:29:33.500 - 00:29:34.960] Fred: because the girl, the lady he married, [00:29:37.560 - 00:29:39.080] John: she got put in a drink. [00:29:39.080 - 00:29:40.460] Fred: Yeah, she wouldn't put up with it. [00:29:40.580 - 00:29:41.600] Fred: She got to stop drinking. [00:29:41.660 - 00:29:42.500] Fred: Yeah, that's nice. [00:29:42.680 - 00:29:43.980] Fred: And I know that she had a daughter. [00:29:44.260 - 00:29:44.840] Fred: That's all I remember. [00:29:45.480 - 00:29:45.820] John: With Mike. [00:29:46.200 - 00:29:46.960] Fred: I mean, with Beezer. [00:29:47.580 - 00:29:49.300] Fred: I don't think, I don't know for sure, [00:29:49.440 - 00:29:50.080] Fred: but I don't think so. [00:29:50.620 - 00:29:51.360] John: Because it was older. [00:29:51.720 - 00:29:52.120] Fred: Oh, okay. [00:29:53.200 - 00:29:53.880] John: So he- [00:29:54.500 - 00:29:55.720] Fred: He had a stepdaughter? [00:29:56.080 - 00:29:56.900] Fred: Yeah, a stepdaughter. [00:29:57.960 - 00:29:58.680] John: That's interesting. [00:30:00.760 - 00:30:02.640] Fred: And we talked about that. [00:30:03.620 - 00:30:06.400] John: What about, we talked about, [00:30:07.540 - 00:30:09.880] Fred: yeah, we talked about all of them. [00:30:10.500 - 00:30:13.020] John: Now, the other thing is, [00:30:18.420 - 00:30:24.720] John: do you remember any of your grandpa's brothers and sisters? [00:30:25.220 - 00:30:26.640] John: There was a Samuel McGarvey. [00:30:27.320 - 00:30:27.840] Fred: He lived- [00:30:27.840 - 00:30:28.200] John: Oh, yeah. [00:30:28.400 - 00:30:29.580] John: He lived until 1956. [00:30:30.180 - 00:30:31.180] Fred: I've been once. [00:30:31.600 - 00:30:31.900] John: Oh, yeah? [00:30:32.160 - 00:30:35.200] Fred: And it's funny, he was old. [00:30:36.360 - 00:30:39.820] Fred: And he kept down and he's gonna act like [00:30:39.820 - 00:30:41.440] Fred: he liked the women, you know? [00:30:41.640 - 00:30:41.760] John: Yeah. [00:30:42.240 - 00:30:44.360] Fred: He gave my mom a big hug and a kiss. [00:30:45.980 - 00:30:46.180] John: Yeah, but, [00:30:46.980 - 00:30:49.420] Fred: and he was really jolly adorable. [00:30:49.740 - 00:30:51.820] Fred: Really a fun person, you know? [00:30:52.180 - 00:30:56.780] Fred: And I just spent one time, he was different, yeah. [00:30:57.960 - 00:30:58.560] John: Yeah. [00:30:58.560 - 00:31:01.740] John: Yeah, he married someone named Amy [00:31:03.300 - 00:31:07.880] John: and his daughter was Lola or Annabella. [00:31:08.260 - 00:31:09.680] Fred: I don't know about that. [00:31:09.680 - 00:31:11.100] Fred: I saw that one time. [00:31:11.580 - 00:31:13.260] John: She lived until 1987. [00:31:14.900 - 00:31:15.420] John: And then, [00:31:16.700 - 00:31:19.160] John: yeah, her name was Lola. [00:31:21.200 - 00:31:23.360] John: And then there was a, [00:31:24.240 - 00:31:29.000] John: oh, he had another son named Charles Henry McGarvey. [00:31:30.000 - 00:31:31.100] John: But, oh, you would have known him. [00:31:31.220 - 00:31:32.120] John: He died in 1937. [00:31:34.220 - 00:31:37.440] John: But then there was an Edward McGarvey. [00:31:38.200 - 00:31:39.940] John: Oh, but you wouldn't have known him. [00:31:40.040 - 00:31:41.000] John: He died in 1941. [00:31:41.980 - 00:31:45.020] John: So that was the youngest, [00:31:45.840 - 00:31:47.700] John: your grandpa's youngest brother. [00:31:49.260 - 00:31:51.620] John: Then there was a Mary Ann McGarvey. [00:31:52.080 - 00:31:53.900] John: She lived till 1961. [00:31:54.740 - 00:31:57.200] John: So that would have been your grandpa's youngest sister. [00:31:59.100 - 00:32:00.740] John: Or second youngest sister. [00:32:00.900 - 00:32:01.640] Fred: I don't know her, are you? [00:32:02.480 - 00:32:05.040] John: So her last name was Man Ring. [00:32:05.620 - 00:32:06.600] John: She married a man ring. [00:32:06.600 - 00:32:08.140] Fred: Oh, maybe it was a man ring. [00:32:08.360 - 00:32:10.260] Fred: Just a couple blocks up from us. [00:32:10.400 - 00:32:12.160] Fred: So the huge size of the family. [00:32:13.480 - 00:32:14.760] John: No, this was on McGarvey's side. [00:32:15.500 - 00:32:17.100] John: Mary Ann Manring. [00:32:17.480 - 00:32:19.380] John: She, Mary Ann Manring. [00:32:19.820 - 00:32:20.140] John: She- [00:32:20.140 - 00:32:21.360] John: Oh, that'd be right, McGarvey. [00:32:21.720 - 00:32:25.760] John: She was Ike's, one of Ike's younger sisters. [00:32:26.720 - 00:32:29.260] John: And then there was a Rosetta McGarvey. [00:32:30.000 - 00:32:32.540] John: Rose, and she lived till 1979. [00:32:33.520 - 00:32:34.560] John: And she was a Townsend. [00:32:34.560 - 00:32:35.920] John: Do you remember Rose Townsend? [00:32:36.720 - 00:32:38.800] Fred: I don't remember the name, I can't place it. [00:32:39.080 - 00:32:40.280] John: Yeah, so Rose Townsend. [00:32:40.540 - 00:32:42.480] Fred: I remember my mom that told me. [00:32:42.520 - 00:32:43.520] Fred: Talking about it, yeah, Rose. [00:32:44.200 - 00:32:47.680] John: So that was Ike's youngest sister. [00:32:48.720 - 00:32:49.800] John: And she lived in 1979. [00:32:50.220 - 00:32:51.780] John: I mean, that was, I would have remembered, [00:32:51.960 - 00:32:52.780] John: that was 10 years old. [00:32:57.590 - 00:32:59.070] John: Vicki was here earlier too. [00:32:59.590 - 00:33:02.070] Fred: He was here, or Vicki was here earlier. [00:33:02.170 - 00:33:02.310] John: Yeah. [00:33:02.730 - 00:33:03.310] Fred: Vicki was here. [00:33:03.990 - 00:33:05.530] John: Vicki left, just probably left, [00:33:07.850 - 00:33:09.050] Fred: Yeah, I think that's the plan.
Keeping the full interview with the excerpt cards preserves context: the shorter clips are easier to browse, but the complete recording makes it possible to hear Fred’s memories in sequence and check each extracted family story against the larger conversation.
Interview excerpt from the May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside, beginning at the 30-minute mark, about Samuel McGarvey, remembered here as Grandpa Ike’s brother. Fred’s voice lifts when Samuel comes up: he remembers meeting him once, recalls Samuel’s warmth toward his mother, and describes him as jolly, adorable, different, and fun.
This clip preserves one of the livelier emotional moments in the interview. Fred says he met Samuel once and remembers him as old, affectionate, jolly, adorable, different, and fun. John also uses the moment to work through Samuel’s wife Amy, possible daughter Lola or Annabella, and nearby relatives in Ike’s sibling group.
Samuel McGarvey excerpt from complete interview with Fred McGarvey Interview by John McGarvey Oceanside, California, May 9, 2026 Clip: 30:00 to end of recording Note: Speaker labels identify John McGarvey and Fred McGarvey. The wording preserves the timestamped transcript text for this excerpt; names and unclear phrases should be checked against the audio when precision matters. [00:30:00.760 - 00:30:02.640] Fred: And we talked about that. [00:30:03.620 - 00:30:06.400] John: What about, we talked about, [00:30:07.540 - 00:30:09.880] Fred: yeah, we talked about all of them. [00:30:10.500 - 00:30:13.020] John: Now, the other thing is, [00:30:18.420 - 00:30:24.720] John: do you remember any of your grandpa's brothers and sisters? [00:30:25.220 - 00:30:26.640] John: There was a Samuel McGarvey. [00:30:27.320 - 00:30:27.840] Fred: He lived- [00:30:27.840 - 00:30:28.200] John: Oh, yeah. [00:30:28.400 - 00:30:29.580] John: He lived until 1956. [00:30:30.180 - 00:30:31.180] Fred: I've been once. [00:30:31.600 - 00:30:31.900] John: Oh, yeah? [00:30:32.160 - 00:30:35.200] Fred: And it's funny, he was old. [00:30:36.360 - 00:30:39.820] Fred: And he kept down and he's gonna act like [00:30:39.820 - 00:30:41.440] Fred: he liked the women, you know? [00:30:41.640 - 00:30:41.760] John: Yeah. [00:30:42.240 - 00:30:44.360] Fred: He gave my mom a big hug and a kiss. [00:30:45.980 - 00:30:46.180] John: Yeah, but, [00:30:46.980 - 00:30:49.420] Fred: and he was really jolly adorable. [00:30:49.740 - 00:30:51.820] Fred: Really a fun person, you know? [00:30:52.180 - 00:30:56.780] Fred: And I just spent one time, he was different, yeah. [00:30:57.960 - 00:30:58.560] John: Yeah. [00:30:58.560 - 00:31:01.740] John: Yeah, he married someone named Amy [00:31:03.300 - 00:31:07.880] John: and his daughter was Lola or Annabella. [00:31:08.260 - 00:31:09.680] Fred: I don't know about that. [00:31:09.680 - 00:31:11.100] Fred: I saw that one time. [00:31:11.580 - 00:31:13.260] John: She lived until 1987. [00:31:14.900 - 00:31:15.420] John: And then, [00:31:16.700 - 00:31:19.160] John: yeah, her name was Lola. [00:31:21.200 - 00:31:23.360] John: And then there was a, [00:31:24.240 - 00:31:29.000] John: oh, he had another son named Charles Henry McGarvey. [00:31:30.000 - 00:31:31.100] John: But, oh, you would have known him. [00:31:31.220 - 00:31:32.120] John: He died in 1937. [00:31:34.220 - 00:31:37.440] John: But then there was an Edward McGarvey. [00:31:38.200 - 00:31:39.940] John: Oh, but you wouldn't have known him. [00:31:40.040 - 00:31:41.000] John: He died in 1941. [00:31:41.980 - 00:31:45.020] John: So that was the youngest, [00:31:45.840 - 00:31:47.700] John: your grandpa's youngest brother. [00:31:49.260 - 00:31:51.620] John: Then there was a Mary Ann McGarvey. [00:31:52.080 - 00:31:53.900] John: She lived till 1961. [00:31:54.740 - 00:31:57.200] John: So that would have been your grandpa's youngest sister. [00:31:59.100 - 00:32:00.740] John: Or second youngest sister. [00:32:00.900 - 00:32:01.640] Fred: I don't know her, are you? [00:32:02.480 - 00:32:05.040] John: So her last name was Man Ring. [00:32:05.620 - 00:32:06.600] John: She married a man ring. [00:32:06.600 - 00:32:08.140] Fred: Oh, maybe it was a man ring. [00:32:08.360 - 00:32:10.260] Fred: Just a couple blocks up from us. [00:32:10.400 - 00:32:12.160] Fred: So the huge size of the family. [00:32:13.480 - 00:32:14.760] John: No, this was on McGarvey's side. [00:32:15.500 - 00:32:17.100] John: Mary Ann Manring. [00:32:17.480 - 00:32:19.380] John: She, Mary Ann Manring. [00:32:19.820 - 00:32:20.140] John: She- [00:32:20.140 - 00:32:21.360] John: Oh, that'd be right, McGarvey. [00:32:21.720 - 00:32:25.760] John: She was Ike's, one of Ike's younger sisters. [00:32:26.720 - 00:32:29.260] John: And then there was a Rosetta McGarvey. [00:32:30.000 - 00:32:32.540] John: Rose, and she lived till 1979. [00:32:33.520 - 00:32:34.560] John: And she was a Townsend. [00:32:34.560 - 00:32:35.920] John: Do you remember Rose Townsend? [00:32:36.720 - 00:32:38.800] Fred: I don't remember the name, I can't place it. [00:32:39.080 - 00:32:40.280] John: Yeah, so Rose Townsend. [00:32:40.540 - 00:32:42.480] Fred: I remember my mom that told me. [00:32:42.520 - 00:32:43.520] Fred: Talking about it, yeah, Rose. [00:32:44.200 - 00:32:47.680] John: So that was Ike's youngest sister. [00:32:48.720 - 00:32:49.800] John: And she lived in 1979. [00:32:50.220 - 00:32:51.780] John: I mean, that was, I would have remembered, [00:32:51.960 - 00:32:52.780] John: that was 10 years old. [00:32:57.590 - 00:32:59.070] John: Vicki was here earlier too. [00:32:59.590 - 00:33:02.070] Fred: He was here, or Vicki was here earlier. [00:33:02.170 - 00:33:02.310] John: Yeah. [00:33:02.730 - 00:33:03.310] Fred: Vicki was here. [00:33:03.990 - 00:33:05.530] John: Vicki left, just probably left, [00:33:07.850 - 00:33:09.050] Fred: Yeah, I think that's the plan.
Samuel is not just a name in a sibling list here. Fred’s tone gives him presence: a single remembered visit, a hug and kiss for Fred’s mother, and a vivid impression of a cheerful older relative. That emotional color helps keep Isaac McGarvey’s wider sibling generation attached to lived family memory.
Samuel McGarvey was born July 12, 1870, in Decatur Township, Lawrence County, Ohio, one of Hamilton and Lucinda “Cinda” Hedding McGarvey’s children and a brother of Isaac “Ike” McGarvey. The records gathered here place him in the same fourth-generation bridge as Ike: married first to Amy Ellen Clark in 1891, later divorced by the 1910 census, and married second to Elizabeth Holberg in Franklin County in 1922.
The 1891 Lawrence County marriage record gives Samuel’s marriage to Amy Ellen Clark on July 18, 1891. The 1910 census then lists Amy McGarvey as head of household in Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio, with marital status “divorced,” four children born, four children living, and 18 years married. If that “18 years” entry reflects the duration of the marriage at divorce or enumeration, the divorce likely occurred after July 1909 and before the 1910 census was taken; however, a July 5, 1907 newspaper notice shows the marriage was already in serious crisis by late June 1907.
The woman in this portrait is likely Samuel’s second wife, Elizabeth Holberg McGarvey. The image is less likely to be an 1891 wedding portrait of Samuel and Amy because Samuel was only 21 at that marriage and both people in the photograph appear older. It could still show Amy later in the marriage, but the couple had separated or divorced by the 1910 census. The age, dress, and studio-portrait style fit more comfortably with a later photograph after Samuel’s 1922 Franklin County marriage to Elizabeth.
The marriage index identifies Samuel McGarvey as age 21, born about 1870, and Amy Ellen Clark as his spouse. The marriage took place in Lawrence County, Ohio, with film number 000317721.
In 1910 Amy McGarvey was listed as a 35-year-old divorced head of household, renting a house in Wellston. Her children in the household were Lola McGarvey, age 16; Charles McGarvey, age 13; Samuel McGarvey, age 9; and Hattie McGarvey, age 6. The census also records that Amy had four children born and four children living.
The article reported that Charles Smiley found Samuel McGarvey on the street with Smiley’s wife in South Wellston, fired five shots, and hit Samuel once. It also said Smiley had been told that McGarvey was “alienating his wife’s affections.” This notice may explain why Samuel and Amy’s marriage later ended, but it does not itself document the legal divorce.
The Akron Beacon Journal account gives a second newspaper version of the same 1907 incident. Read together with the later Perrysburg Journal notice, it shows that the story circulated beyond Wellston and was reported with different framing and details.
Fred McGarvey's oral-history memory of Samuel as a jolly older man who seemed to like women gives the newspaper accounts an added family context, though it was recorded many decades after the incident. The two 1907 newspaper notices do not tell the story in exactly the same way, so neither should be treated as a complete transcript of what happened. Still, the more specific account that places Samuel in the street with Charles Smiley's wife, followed by Smiley firing at him, may be the stronger version because it gives a clearer sequence of events and motive. Amy McGarvey's later divorced status in the 1910 census does not prove that this incident caused the divorce, but it fits a broader pattern of marital strain after Samuel's first marriage.
The Franklin County marriage record lists Samuel McGarvey as age 51, born about 1871, son of Ham McGarvey and Cinda Heddin, and Elizabeth Holberg as his spouse. The marriage took place April 8, 1922.
Find a Grave Memorial 91599665 gives Samuel’s birth as July 12, 1870, in Decatur Township, Lawrence County, Ohio; death as January 8, 1956; and burial at Glen Rest Memorial Estate in Reynoldsburg, Franklin County, Ohio.
Samuel helps connect Ike’s household story to the wider Hamilton and Lucinda McGarvey sibling generation. These documents give his timeline a stronger shape: birth in Lawrence County, marriage and children with Amy, a documented divorce by 1910, remarriage in Franklin County, and burial at Glen Rest in 1956.
Interview clips from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about his memories of William “Beezer” McGarvey, Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey’s son and Fred’s great-uncle. The clips preserve Fred’s recollections of Beezer’s later home, work, drinking, family relationships, and the funny high-school story about Fred’s girlfriend’s father, a judge, knowing Beezer from jail appearances.
Fred remembered a high-school girlfriend, Lenore Gillen, whose father was a judge. Fred said the judge knew of Beezer because Beezer had been in jail often for drunkenness, which made the judge concerned about his daughter dating Fred. The story is funny, but it also preserves the way Beezer’s reputation circulated in Wellston family and courthouse memory.
Fred says Beezer had a nice trailer or mobile home and discusses whether he lived in Wellston, Jackson, or the wider Wellston/Jackson area. Fred remembers Beezer working in Wellston and being in Wellston when he retired.
Fred identifies Lenore Gillen as the girl in his high-school yearbook photograph. Her father was a judge, and Fred says the judge knew of Beezer because Beezer was in jail a lot. John connects that to the judge being worried about Fred dating Lenore. Fred then adds that, when Beezer retired, he had a surprisingly nice mobile home. John and Fred discuss Beezer’s earlier carnival and furnace work.
John works through Beezer’s children, including Catherine McGarvey, Clarence Eugene McGarvey, and Ellen Jean Gabriel, and asks whether Clarence Eugene was the person the family called Mike. Fred says he does not remember some of those names and discusses Beezer’s wife, possible separation from the first family, a second wife with a Filipino name, and a daughter or stepdaughter connected to that later marriage.
Fred returns to Beezer and says the main thing he remembers is that Beezer lived with Fred’s family for a little while, though Fred cannot remember the details. Fred and John discuss the possibility that Beezer was alcoholic then and often in trouble. Fred says Beezer later married another woman who would not put up with drinking, and that she got him to stop drinking. Fred also remembers that she had a daughter, probably Beezer’s stepdaughter.
These clips add family testimony about William “Beezer” McGarvey as a remembered member of Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey’s children. The memories are informal, sometimes uncertain, and should be checked against court, marriage, census, and obituary records, but they preserve details unlikely to appear in official documents: reputation, work patterns, family estrangement, later sobriety, and how Beezer was remembered by Fred’s generation.
Interview excerpts from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Susan Anna “Sue” McGarvey Ehrenfeld, one of Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey’s daughters. Fred remembered Sue, her husband Bill or Will Ehrenfeld, their children William, Ray, Clyde, and Susan “Sue” Ehrenfeld, and family gatherings connected to Wellston and Lake Alma.
Fred remembered Sue Anna as a friendly, hardworking older family member and connected her branch of the family to Bill or Will Ehrenfeld and their children. The interview discusses William, Ray Douglas, Clyde, and the younger Susan “Sue” Ehrenfeld, who died young. Fred also remembered family gatherings, including occasions when family members came together around Wellston and Lake Alma.
Audio: Sue Ehrenfeld daughter clip 1
Timing: 00:27-00:37
Fred and John discuss Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld, her daughter Sue, and her children William, Ray, Clyde, and Sue West. The conversation includes memories of the younger Sue dying young, Ray possibly going to Canada, Clyde dying in 1980, Bill or Will Ehrenfeld, family visits after a game, and gatherings around Wellston and Lake Alma. Fred describes Sue Anna as friendly, nice, and hardworking.
Fred and John identify that Sue Anna’s daughter was also called Sue and discuss that the younger Sue died at a young age.
John notes that the youngest Sue died in 1956 and connects the date to Fred’s senior year in college. They note that she was close to Fred’s age.
Fred remembers Sue Anna as a worker and says he does not know how her daughter died, only that she died young.
These clips preserve Fred’s memory of Susan Anna “Sue” McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s branch of the family and connect her to the Ehrenfeld children named in the Isaac family profile. The memories add personality, family-gathering context, and the remembered sadness around Susan “Sue” Ehrenfeld’s early death, while leaving details such as exact residences, death causes, and Ray’s later life for further record checking.
Interview excerpts from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about William Henry Ehrenfeld, called Will or Bill in the interview. Fred and John discuss him as Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s husband and as the namesake context for their oldest son, William Ehrenfeld.
Fred and John discuss the Ehrenfeld family names while reconstructing Sue Anna’s children. John identifies Sue’s oldest son as William, then connects that name to Sue’s husband Will or Bill. Fred remembers going to Bill and Sue’s house after a game and gives a brief, unvarnished family-memory impression of Bill’s work habits. These comments should be treated as oral history and checked against records where possible.
Audio: Will/Bill Ehrenfeld clip 1
Timing: 01:15-01:50
John lists Sue Anna’s children: her oldest son William, then Ray, Clyde, and Sue West. He identifies William Ehrenfeld and notes that the oldest son may have been named after Sue’s husband.
Fred and John clarify “Will” or “Bill” and connect the name of Sue Anna’s oldest son William to her husband Bill or Will Ehrenfeld.
Fred remembers going to Bill and Sue’s house after a game with friends from Heidelberg. He recalls the house having outdoor facilities and says Sue had to work and take care of things while Bill struggled to hold a job.
These clips preserve Fred’s memory of William Henry Ehrenfeld within Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s household. They help explain the Will/Bill naming pattern in the Ehrenfeld family and add a social-memory glimpse of Bill and Sue’s home life, while leaving employment and household details for verification in census, directory, marriage, and obituary records.
Interview excerpt from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Ray Douglas Ehrenfeld, one of Susan Anna “Sue” McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s sons. Fred and John use the names of Sue’s children to identify Ray and preserve the family memory that Ray later went to Canada and married there.
Fred and John reconstruct Sue Anna’s children by name: William, Ray, Clyde, and Sue West. In this clip, they identify Ray as Ray Douglas Ehrenfeld and connect him to the family recollection of an Ehrenfeld son who went to Canada and married there. John notes that Ray is the child whose death date still needs to be located, possibly because of the Canada connection.
John lists Sue Anna’s children as William, Ray, Clyde, and Sue West, then Fred and John work through which son went to Canada and married there. They identify him as Ray Douglas Ehrenfeld, born after William, and John notes that Ray is the one whose death date he has not yet found, perhaps because Ray went to Canada.
This clip preserves a small but useful lead about Ray Douglas Ehrenfeld’s later life. It ties Ray to Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s household, distinguishes him from William and Clyde, and points future research toward Canadian marriage, residence, and death records.
Interview excerpts from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Clyde Ehrenfeld, one of Susan Anna “Sue” McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s children. Fred and John identify Clyde in the Ehrenfeld sibling group and preserve the family-memory note that Clyde died in 1980.
These short clips come from the same May 9 interview segment in which Fred and John reconstruct Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s children. Clyde is named directly, placed between Ray and Sue West in the sibling list, and later associated with a remembered death year of 1980. As with the other Ehrenfeld cards, these notes should be treated as oral history and checked against vital, obituary, and cemetery records.
Fred supplies Clyde’s name while John is working through the Ehrenfeld family members.
John lists Sue Anna’s children as William, Ray, Clyde, and Sue West. Fred and John then continue sorting the older brothers and identify Clyde as distinct from William and Ray.
John adds that Clyde died in 1980.
These clips help anchor Clyde Ehrenfeld in Sue Anna McGarvey Ehrenfeld’s family group and preserve a research clue for his death year. They also keep Clyde distinct from Ray and William, which is important because the interview moves quickly through several Ehrenfeld names.
Interview excerpt from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Jack and Elvira, remembered as children of Margaret McGarvey Scarborough. Fred describes Margaret’s family warmly, recalls Jack following house-building work, and connects Elvira with school lunch or food-service planning.
In the recorded clip, Fred remembers Margaret’s family as a “great family,” mentions Jack and Elvira, and describes Jack as connected to house-building work while Elvira appears in a memory about school lunch or food-service planning. Fred also made an unrecorded comment after the captured audio: it meant a great deal to him that Jack and Elvira were the only family members who came down from Ohio to attend his father Chuck’s, Charles Leo McGarvey’s, funeral service. That funeral-service memory is preserved here as an interview note rather than as part of the audio transcript.
Fred remembers Margaret as a mother and names Jack and Elvira. He calls the family a great family, says George West built houses, and adds that Jack also became a house builder. Fred then recalls Elvira in connection with teaching or school food-service planning, possibly preparing lunch or food plans for a city school district.
This card preserves both the recorded family-memory details about Jack and Elvira and Fred’s unrecorded comment about their presence at Charles Leo McGarvey’s funeral service. Together, they explain why this branch of Margaret’s family remained emotionally important in Fred’s memory.
Interview excerpts from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Margaret McGarvey Scarborough, one of Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey’s younger children. The clips clarify that Margaret was Mary Ellen “Chow Mama” Bryan’s sister, place Margaret’s family outside Columbus, and preserve Fred’s memories of George, Jack, and Elvira.
Fred remembered Margaret in connection with George Scarborough and their children Jack and Elvira. He described the family as living outside Columbus, remembered George and Jack as house builders or carpenters, and associated Elvira with school food service rather than classroom teaching. The conversation also helps correct nickname confusion by placing “Chow Mama” with Mary Ellen Bryan, not Margaret.
Margaret and George are mentioned as likely among family members who came to a game.
Fred and John clarify that Margaret was “Chow Mama’s” sister. Fred remembers Margaret as having Jack and Elvira, describes George and Jack as house builders or carpenters, and recalls Elvira as working with school food or lunch services.
Fred says Margaret lived just outside Columbus.
John places Margaret’s birth in 1907 while working through the Isaac and Mary Patton McGarvey sibling timeline.
These clips preserve Fred’s family memory of Margaret McGarvey Scarborough’s branch of the family and help separate Margaret’s identity from Mary Ellen Bryan’s “Chow Mama” nickname. The details about George, Jack, Elvira, Columbus, and school food service should be checked against marriage, census, city-directory, employment, and obituary records.
Interview excerpt from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Mary Ellen McGarvey Bryan. Fred remembered her by the family nickname “Chow Mama,” a childhood version of “Charles’ mama” because Fred could not say the phrase clearly as a child.
Fred remembered Mary Ellen Bryan as “Chow Mama.” In the interview, John clarifies that the nickname came from Fred not being able to say “Charles’ mama” clearly when he was young. Fred places Mary Ellen in Wellston near Newman’s or Logan’s grocery store, remembers that she worked part-time there, and recalls that her husband died fairly young.
Audio: Mary Ellen Bryan / Chow Mama clip
Timing: 09:53-10:48
John and Fred discuss Mary Ellen and “Chow Mama.” Fred says she lived in Wellston, near Newman’s or Logan’s grocery store, worked part-time there, and that her husband died young. The conversation also leads into Charles Bryan as her only son.
This clip preserves a family nickname and explains its origin, while also adding neighborhood and work context for Mary Ellen McGarvey Bryan’s adult life in Wellston. The nickname should be understood as a child’s family pronunciation, not as a formal name.
Interview excerpt from a May 9, 2026 conversation with Fred McGarvey in Oceanside about Charles Bryan, the only son of Mary Ellen McGarvey Bryan, remembered in the family as “Chow Mama.” Fred connects Charles to the Wellston neighborhood near Newman’s, early metal-work employment, military service, and later work in California.
Fred remembered Charles Bryan as Mary Ellen “Chow Mama” Bryan’s only son. The conversation places him near Newman’s in Wellston, describes early work at a local place that made metal things, and then follows him through military service and later work in Fresno and San Diego connected to supplying or displaying medicines for stores.
Fred says Charles was Mary Ellen “Chow Mama” Bryan’s only son and lived near Newman’s. Fred remembers that Charles worked locally at a place that made metal things before being drafted, likely during the Korean War period. After service, Fred recalls Charles going to Fresno and then San Diego, where he had a job connected to supplying, displaying, or selling medicine for drug stores and similar places.
This clip preserves family memory for a McGarvey descendant through Mary Ellen McGarvey Bryan’s line. It helps connect the Wellston neighborhood setting around Newman’s to Charles Bryan’s later adult life, while also marking several details that should be checked against military, city-directory, employment, and California residence records.
Documents the death of Mary Patton McGarvey, wife of Isaac McGarvey.
McGarvey, Mary. Place of death: Jackson County. Date of death: May 15, 1931.
This record documents Mary Patton McGarvey’s death and helps close the Isaac and Mary household timeline.
Shows Isaac McGarvey as an older widower in the West C Street household with adult sons and grandchildren.
Isaac McGarvey, head, age 70, widowed, born in Ohio, lived in the same house in 1935. The household includes William McGarvey, Charles McGarvey, Mary Ann McGarvey, and Freddie McGarvey. The home is marked owned and valued at $800.
Isaac has no occupation or wage income listed. William is listed as a laborer in a furnace, Charles as a presser in a pants factory, and Mary Ann as a seamstress in a pants factory.
This record shows that by 1940 Isaac’s own working life appears to have ended, while the West C Street home remained economically active through the labor of his adult children.
Documents Isaac McGarvey’s death in 1941.
McGarvey, Isaac. Date of death: May 14, 1941.
This record provides the closing date for Isaac McGarvey’s life timeline.
This photograph provides a rare visual record of Isaac McGarvey in later life.
The image shows Isaac McGarvey standing outdoors, wearing a hat, light-colored shirt, and dark trousers. A house and trees appear in the background, suggesting a residential setting.
Photographs provide important visual context that complements documentary records, helping to humanize the historical narrative and connect the individual to place and time.
This photograph captures Isaac McGarvey in later life with a young family member, most likely his granddaughter Susan Ehrenfeld.
The image shows Isaac McGarvey standing outdoors beside a young girl. They appear on a grassy area near a sidewalk, with houses, trees, and a street visible in the background, suggesting a small-town residential setting, likely in Ohio. Isaac wears a brimmed hat, light shirt, and dark trousers, consistent with working-class dress of the 1930s. The girl wears a short-sleeved dress typical of a child of that period.
Based on Isaac McGarvey’s birth year (1869) and the apparent age of the child (approximately 7 to 10 years old), this photograph most likely dates to the late 1930s or early 1940s. At that time, Isaac would have been in his late 60s to early 70s.
The child is unlikely to be his daughter Susan Anna McGarvey (born 1899), who would have been an adult by this time. Instead, the age and context strongly suggest that the girl is a later-generation family member. Based on available family records, she is most likely Susan Ehrenfeld, born about 1934 in Franklin County, Ohio.
If this identification is correct, the photograph provides a rare intergenerational image of Isaac McGarvey with his granddaughter, connecting the late nineteenth-century origins of the McGarvey family to its twentieth-century descendants. Susan Ehrenfeld’s short life (c. 1934–1956) adds additional significance to the image, preserving a visual record of her childhood within the family.
This photograph likely shows Mary Patton McGarvey with her daughter Susan Anna McGarvey in a domestic setting.
The image shows two women standing beside a wood-sided house. The older woman, likely Mary Patton McGarvey, stands with her arm around a younger woman. Both wear light-colored dresses typical of everyday wear in the early twentieth century. The setting appears to be a yard adjacent to a home, suggesting a family residence.
Mary Patton McGarvey was born in 1873. Based on her appearance in the photograph, she appears to be in her late 40s to early 50s. This would place the photograph roughly in the early to mid-1920s.
The younger woman appears to be in her late teens or early twenties. Susan Anna McGarvey, born in 1899, would have been approximately 20 to 25 years old during this same period. The age alignment strongly supports the identification of the younger woman as Susan Anna McGarvey.
The clothing also supports this timeframe. The simple, calf-length dresses and modest styling are consistent with rural or working-class fashion of the 1920s. The absence of later 1930s styling elements further supports an earlier date.
This photograph provides an important visual connection between Mary Patton McGarvey and her adult daughter, illustrating the continuity of the household across generations. Unlike later images of Isaac with a much younger child, this image clearly reflects a mother-daughter relationship within the same generation.
Documents the marriage of Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton in Lawrence County, Ohio.
Parties: Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton.
License: Issued the 21st day of December, A.D. 1888, to the above named parties.
Returned and filed: 26th day of December, 1888.
Marriage affidavit: The State of Ohio, Lawrence County. Before me, Lot Davis, Judge of the Court of Probate for said County, personally came Hamilton McGarvey, who being first duly sworn, saith that Isaac McGarvey is more than 18 years of age, that he has no wife living, that he is not nearer of kin to Mary Patton than second cousins, that she is more than [blank] years of age, that she has no husband living, that she resides at the present time in this county, and that there is no legal impediment to their being joined in marriage.
Consent statement: He further saith that he is the father of Isaac McGarvey and gives his consent to this marriage, and that the written consent of the mother of Mary Patton is on file in this office.
Signed: Hamilton X McGarvey, his mark.
Sworn and subscribed: before me the 21st day of December, A.D. 1888. Lot Davis, Probate Judge. Fred A. Ross, Deputy.
Marriage return: I do hereby certify, that on the 23rd day of December, A.D. 1888, by virtue of a license from the Court of Probate for said County, I joined in marriage Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton. Given under my hand the 23rd day of December, A.D. 1888. D. R. Edwards, J.P.
This marriage record is important because it places three generations into one legal document: Hamilton McGarvey, his son Isaac McGarvey, and Isaac’s bride, Mary Patton. Hamilton appears as the sworn informant and gives consent for Isaac’s marriage, signing with his mark. The record states that Isaac was “more than 18 years of age,” which indicates he was old enough to marry with parental consent but may still have been treated as under full independent legal age in the marriage process. Based on Isaac’s later tombstone year of birth, 1869, he would have been about 19 years old at the time of the December 1888 marriage.
The record also shows that Mary Patton’s mother provided written consent, which was kept on file in the probate office. Mary’s later tombstone gives her birth year as 1873, which would make her about 15 years old at the time of the marriage. That helps explain why the record specifically references her mother’s written consent rather than simply recording Mary as an independent adult party to the marriage. The document therefore does more than record a wedding date. It also shows family consent, legal procedure, kinship safeguards, and the young ages of both Isaac and Mary at the beginning of their household.
Clarence McGarvey, male, born July 7, 1890. Parents: Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton.
This record helps establish Isaac and Mary’s early family timeline and documents Clarence’s parentage.
William McGarvey, male, white, born October 28, 1896, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Father: Isaac McGarvey. Mother: Mary Patton.
This birth index confirms William’s birth date, birthplace, and parentage.
Clarence McGarvey. Date of death: February 26, 1899. Age: 8 years, 7 months, 16 days. Place of death: Wellston.
This record explains why Clarence appears in the early family timeline but not in later census records.
Susan McGarvey, female, white, born November 2, 1899, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Father: Jap/Isaac McGarvey. Mother: Mary Patten.
This birth index confirms Susan Anna’s parentage while preserving the variant father-name reading in the index.
Mary Ellen McGarvey, female, white, born February 6, 1903, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Father: Isaac McGarvey. Mother: Mary Patton.
Mary Ellen’s birth index extends Isaac and Mary’s documented child timeline into the early twentieth century.
Margaret McGarvey, female, white, born March 2, 1907, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Father: Isaac McGarvey. Mother: Mary Patton.
Margaret’s birth index helps document one of Isaac and Mary’s younger children.
This document card gathers local-history, public-history, and coal-and-iron references for Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Together they describe Wellston as a planned nineteenth-century industrial town founded by Harvey Wells in 1873 and shaped by coal mining, iron furnaces, railroads, manufacturing, and later Appalachian Ohio community life.
The City of Wellston's local history account says the town was laid out in November 1873 on farmland purchased from H. S. Bundy and named for founder Harvey Wells. The same account ties Wellston's rapid growth to coal, furnaces, railroads, and new business enterprises, noting that the village was incorporated in February 1876 and had grown to an estimated 5,000 or more residents by 1887.
The Clio entry for the Wellston Ballfields and the Twin Furnaces identifies that site as the former location of the Wellston Twin Furnaces, later renamed the Wellston Steel and Iron Company. It places the first furnace contract in 1874, explains the later ownership changes, and records the closing of the furnace in 1923 and demolition in 1929.
Olde Forester's iron-furnace history places Wellston's furnace setting within the Hanging Rock Iron Region, where southern Ohio and northeastern Kentucky became important nineteenth-century iron-manufacturing districts. Andrew Roy's 1884 article, "The Ohio Coal Field," gives period context for the coal resources that drew industrial attention to southeastern Ohio.
A 2019 summary describes Wellston as a southeastern Ohio city in Jackson County covering 7.05 square miles. It places Jackson County in the Governor's Office of Appalachia's Southern Ohio region and gives the U.S. Census Bureau's 2015-2016 estimate of 5,653 residents.
This context explains the furnace, factory, and working-class environment in which Isaac McGarvey built his adult life and raised his family.
The official Buckeye Furnace Historic Site website describes the site as part of the Hanging Rock Iron Region, a historic site and nature preserve with rebuilt furnace-era buildings, a museum, gift shop, and self-guided interpretive tour.
This source supports the Buckeye Furnace gallery and the broader charcoal-furnace context used to explain Isaac McGarvey’s documented furnace and industrial labor occupations.
Ohio History Connection describes Buckeye Furnace as a reconstructed charcoal-fired iron blast furnace with its original stack, located at 123 Buckeye Park Road near Wellston, Ohio.
This source provides the core location, purpose, and operating-date framework for Buckeye Furnace. It supports the page’s explanation that Buckeye was part of the regional furnace economy used as context for Isaac McGarvey’s documented furnace and foundry job titles.
TrekOhio explains how Ohio charcoal blast furnaces used iron ore, charcoal, and limestone to make pig iron, and describes the bridge loft, steam-powered blast machinery, casting floor, slag removal, stock sheds, and related furnace infrastructure visible at Buckeye Furnace.
This article helps explain the physical work behind the job titles “furnace man” and “iron furnace laborer”: charging the stack, managing heat and air blast, casting molten iron, handling slag, hauling materials, and maintaining furnace machinery.
A Buckeye Furnace museum display explains the work, wages, hazards, and company-town economy surrounding nineteenth-century charcoal iron furnaces in Jackson County, Ohio.
Work at an iron furnace, like most nineteenth century industrial jobs, was low paying, uncertain, and dangerous. Most workers operated at the edge of bankruptcy and, because nearly all were small-scale operations, they could not weather the storms of economic depression or financial crisis. The Panic of 1857, for example, so squeezed the market for iron that by 1858 production plummeted to one-eighth of pre-panic output. Some 8,000 tons of unsold iron piled up at Ohio furnaces and foundries.
During these times, workers were laid off. They had no unemployment insurance and had little hope of finding other employment. Most companies attempted to keep their workers on and the furnace operating by cutting wages. The average wage was only 50¢ per week in good times. When forced to choose between even lower wages or no job whatever, workers selected the former.
One of the major complaints of workers relates to the widespread practice of paying wages in scrip rather than cash. Hanging Rock furnaces offered store laws and paid their employees most of their wages in paper bills of credit, redeemable only at the company’s store. It was also common for workers to rent company-owned housing. This system tied the workers to the company in a closed economic system. The company regained a large portion of the wages through company store and rental profits.
Work at the furnace was hard and often dangerous. The twelve-hour day was common. Heat, smoke, carbon, eye disease, and “gassing” by the furnace’s toxic fumes were job-related dangers workers faced daily. There was seldom any type of health insurance or pension plan and no government aid or regulations.
Despite these conditions, there was little union activity and few strikes at the Hanging Rock charcoal furnaces. One reason for this was that workers who did attempt to organize or strike found themselves on the “blacklist.” This was an informal agreement between furnace owners not to hire troublemakers.
A more important factor, however, was the working relationships at charcoal iron furnaces. Most furnaces were located in isolated areas where the community of about 50 people all worked at the furnace in some capacity. This bred a strong sense of community among workers. The manager and workers knew each other well, and workers could go to the manager with their problems or complaints. This resulted in informal working agreements that replaced the need for formal groups like labor unions. Additionally, companies often allowed workers to stay on rent-free during hard times and attempted to keep the furnace operating as long as possible. Most workmen preferred a slower pace to a fast one in order to ease their load. They also realized that striking during a depression would hasten the company’s demise.
As the industrial era reached its zenith in the 1870s, workers were displaced. The depletion of forests needed to fuel charcoal furnaces, and the introduction of the new, more efficient coal-burning furnaces transformed the industry. Many charcoal workers moved to the coal furnaces, where they found it necessary to band together into unions to win concessions in a modern industrial environment.
Manager: Owned the furnace, directly supervised the operation, and was responsible for sales and transportation of the iron to market.
Clerk: Managed the accounting details of the furnace and often was responsible for purchasing supplies.
Founder: Directed all furnace operations and saw to the casting of pig iron.
Keeper: Directly supervised the charging and fueling of the furnace and the flow of iron from the furnace.
Filler: Worked at the top of the furnace, charging it with alternating loads of charcoal, iron ore, and limestone flux.
Gutterman: Supervised the flow of molten iron into channels where it could be directed into molds or the casting house.
Molder / cast house worker: Prepared molds and handled castings made from the iron.
Collier: Cut wood and burned it into charcoal, the chief fuel used in the furnace.
Miner: Dug iron ore and limestone used in the furnace.
Teamster / hauler: Transported ore, limestone, charcoal, supplies, and finished iron.
Laborer: Performed general heavy work around the furnace grounds.
Buckeye Furnace was built in 1851-1852 by Thomas Price and investors and operated from 1852 to 1894. It produced charcoal pig iron, with peak production of about 12 tons per day. Its iron contributed to Civil War-era manufacturing, including cannons, munitions, and parts associated with the USS Monitor.
Life around the furnace centered on a self-contained company town of roughly 300-400 residents. During a blast, the furnace ran around the clock. Workers and families lived in company housing, purchased goods at the company store, and often depended on company-issued scrip. The surrounding landscape was also transformed as timber was cut to make the charcoal needed to fuel the stack.
This display helps explain the industrial world behind Isaac McGarvey’s documented census occupations as furnace man and iron furnace laborer. It should not be treated as proof of employment at Buckeye Furnace; confirming that would require a direct payroll, roster, furnace book, or similar record.
Historic view of the Clutts Building on Second Street in Wellston, Ohio. The image shows Melvin Tilley Hardware Store on the ground floor and Elks Hall above. Streetcar tracks are visible in the roadway, placing the building within Wellston’s early twentieth-century downtown commercial district.
This comparison image helps show how the Second Street corner changed over time. The upper view preserves the earlier streetscape with the Clutts Building still standing. The middle image shows the later commercial block that replaced or occupied the area after the original building was gone. The lower image shows the site by 2016, after major changes to the downtown corner after the building was torn down in the 1980s.
This image helps place Isaac McGarvey’s life within the built environment of Wellston. While Isaac’s records center on home, work, and family, photographs like this show the downtown streetscape, businesses, and civic spaces that formed the community around the McGarvey household.
Charles Leo McGarvey, male, white, born July 17, 1913, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio. Father: Isaac McGarvey, age 41, born in Lawrence County, Ohio, occupation ice laborer. Mother: Mary Patton, age 39, born in Lawrence County, Ohio, occupation housework.
This birth certificate directly documents Charles Leo’s birth date, birthplace, parents, and the occupations and birthplaces of Isaac and Mary McGarvey.
The photograph shows five adult siblings standing outdoors. From left to right, the individuals are identified as Mary Ellen McGarvey, Susan “Sue” McGarvey, William “Beezer” McGarvey, Margaret McGarvey, and Charles Leo McGarvey.
The clothing and overall composition strongly suggest a 1930s date. The women’s dresses reflect common everyday styles of the period, while the men’s short-sleeved shirts and high-waisted trousers are also consistent with 1930s fashion.
The apparent ages of the individuals align well with the known birth years of Isaac McGarvey’s children: Mary Ellen (1903), Susan (1899), William (1896), Margaret (1907), and Charles Leo (1913). This places them in their 20s to 40s during the 1930s, which matches their appearance in the photograph.
This photograph provides a rare visual record of the McGarvey siblings as adults, linking the documented birth records and census entries to identifiable individuals. With confirmed identifications, it becomes a key reference image for comparing other family photographs.
This house became one of Isaac McGarvey’s most important family legacies. City property records state that the home was built in 1890. Family tradition holds that Isaac McGarvey had the house built, but the earliest document currently connecting Isaac’s household to the West C Street property is the 1900 United States Census.
The 503 West C Street house is a central place in the McGarvey family story. It appears to have served as a family anchor across multiple generations, beginning with Isaac McGarvey and continuing through Charles Leo McGarvey and Fred McGarvey. City property records state that the home was built in 1890, which fits the family tradition that Isaac McGarvey had the house built.
At the same time, the evidence should be stated carefully. Family lore identifies Isaac as the builder or original family owner of the home, but the earliest known document currently connecting Isaac McGarvey’s household to West C Street is the 1900 United States Census. 1900 census Later records, including William McGarvey’s World War I service record, continue to connect the family to 503 W. C Street. WWI service record
In the May 9, 2026 interview, Fred and John McGarvey describe the remembered interior layout of 503 West C Street: a formal living room to the left of the front entry, a family room with a coal fireplace to the right, vents that helped heat the upstairs rooms, a dining room, kitchen, back stairs, two upstairs bedrooms, and a later bathroom and closet addition.
Audio: Fred McGarvey house interior clip
Timing: 15:40-18:30
Fred McGarvey excerpt on 503 West C Street house interior Interview by John McGarvey Oceanside, California, May 9, 2026 Clip: 15:40-18:30 [00:15:40.620 - 00:15:42.160] Fred: So when you think of your house, [00:15:42.480 - 00:15:45.360] John: when you walk in, like the front door, [00:15:45.740 - 00:15:48.140] John: describe like that house, what you saw, [00:15:48.420 - 00:15:50.420] John: like what was to the right, what was to the left? [00:15:50.920 - 00:15:54.460] John: To the left of it was like a formal living room. [00:15:54.460 - 00:15:54.840] Fred: Yeah. [00:15:55.720 - 00:16:00.460] John: To the right was like a family room with a big fire. [00:16:00.980 - 00:16:01.440] Fred: Fireplace, yeah. [00:16:01.860 - 00:16:03.880] John: Yeah, the pipes would get red hot and all that. [00:16:03.880 - 00:16:06.240] Fred: Like a cold fireplace, is that what they used to eat, [00:16:06.400 - 00:16:07.560] Fred: the house, the cold fire? [00:16:08.320 - 00:16:12.280] John: And it had vents up above there [00:16:12.280 - 00:16:14.300] Fred: to go heat the upstairs of those rooms. [00:16:15.180 - 00:16:16.760] Fred: And then as you go through the fireplace, [00:16:17.200 - 00:16:18.720] Fred: then you had a dining room on the right. [00:16:18.920 - 00:16:19.220] John: Okay. [00:16:19.620 - 00:16:21.620] Fred: And then on the left was the kitchen, [00:16:22.360 - 00:16:23.900] John: and the sink, and on the table. [00:16:24.540 - 00:16:25.220] Fred: That's it. [00:16:25.660 - 00:16:28.520] John: And then when you go from the kitchen [00:16:29.100 - 00:16:30.520] Fred: back to the dining room, [00:16:30.960 - 00:16:32.160] John: go to the end of the house [00:16:32.560 - 00:16:34.100] Fred: and you take steps to get upstairs. [00:16:34.640 - 00:16:36.580] John: Yeah, and there was three bedrooms upstairs? [00:16:36.740 - 00:16:37.060] Fred: Two bedrooms. [00:16:37.200 - 00:16:37.540] John: Two bedrooms. [00:16:38.060 - 00:16:40.000] Fred: They had an addition to the third bedroom [00:16:40.000 - 00:16:41.820] John: and sometime in the last 50 years. [00:16:41.820 - 00:16:43.160] Fred: They probably did, I don't know. [00:16:43.480 - 00:16:44.360] John: But when I was there. [00:16:44.480 - 00:16:45.160] Fred: There was two bedrooms. [00:16:45.420 - 00:16:45.760] John: Two bedrooms. [00:16:46.560 - 00:16:47.620] Fred: And as you walk up the stairs, [00:16:47.840 - 00:16:49.140] John: the first bedroom was where I slept. [00:16:49.660 - 00:16:49.840] John: Yeah. [00:16:50.220 - 00:16:52.200] John: And then the second bedroom, my parents slept. [00:16:52.200 - 00:16:52.580] John: Yeah. [00:16:52.700 - 00:16:54.140] Fred: And then when I was a kid, [00:16:54.780 - 00:16:55.860] John: that was all there was. [00:16:56.040 - 00:16:56.200] Fred: Yeah. [00:16:56.700 - 00:16:58.740] John: But when the help was I. [00:16:59.060 - 00:17:00.460] John: But it's interesting because [00:17:00.460 - 00:17:02.220] John: when you were really little, [00:17:02.720 - 00:17:06.320] John: Ike was there and your dad and Mary Ann. [00:17:06.980 - 00:17:09.180] John: So my guess is probably you were a baby. [00:17:09.640 - 00:17:11.480] John: You were probably in the other room with. [00:17:11.700 - 00:17:12.380] Fred: My dad. [00:17:12.480 - 00:17:13.380] John: With your mom and dad. [00:17:13.560 - 00:17:15.520] John: And Ike was in the other room till he passed. [00:17:15.780 - 00:17:16.020] John: Yeah. [00:17:16.280 - 00:17:18.000] Fred: And that's probably what it was, yeah. [00:17:25.430 - 00:17:26.850] Fred: Did you stay in that one room? [00:17:28.490 - 00:17:29.510] Fred: I don't know, let's say. [00:17:30.310 - 00:17:31.770] John: I guess eighth grade. [00:17:33.470 - 00:17:36.350] Fred: My dad found an old, [00:17:37.110 - 00:17:38.730] Fred: guy looked like he was already years old. [00:17:39.390 - 00:17:42.610] Fred: Up the street that knew how to build things. [00:17:42.730 - 00:17:43.890] Fred: You know, like bathrooms and things. [00:17:44.230 - 00:17:45.330] Fred: But he was not very handy. [00:17:45.950 - 00:17:47.190] Fred: I mean, he was dangerous. [00:17:48.210 - 00:17:49.830] John: So anyway, my dad didn't know, [00:17:49.970 - 00:17:51.530] Fred: I guess he didn't know how to do it at all. [00:17:53.450 - 00:17:55.010] Fred: So this guy came in. [00:17:55.350 - 00:17:56.990] John: And as you come up the stairs upstairs, [00:17:57.530 - 00:18:00.570] John: first of the first room was why I slept. [00:18:01.490 - 00:18:03.170] John: But there was a little small hallway [00:18:03.170 - 00:18:05.330] John: that right into a new door, [00:18:05.530 - 00:18:07.750] John: which they opened up, they expanded and made a bathroom. [00:18:08.030 - 00:18:08.670] John: Oh, okay. [00:18:09.070 - 00:18:10.430] John: And they had a bathroom upstairs and a closet. [00:18:10.830 - 00:18:11.290] John: Oh, wow. [00:18:16.030 - 00:18:17.210] Fred: so if you were eight, [00:18:19.090 - 00:18:19.450] John: Eighth grade. [00:18:22.370 - 00:18:24.930] Fred: so by that time Ike would have passed away. [00:18:25.590 - 00:18:27.650] John: And so he had already probably purchased the house. [00:18:28.330 - 00:18:30.630] Fred: So it was grandpa's house.
The late-1940s photographs show the house while Charles Leo “Chuck” McGarvey and Mary Ann McGarvey were still closely connected to the property. They probably date from around the period when the upstairs bathroom was added, giving them special value as images of the house during its late McGarvey-family period.
The 2004 photographs, taken by John McGarvey, preserve the appearance of the house long after it had served as a McGarvey family home. Together, the late-1940s and 2004 images represent continuity, ownership, and family stability from approximately the 1890s into the 1950s and beyond.
Find a Grave memorial pages provide cemetery context for Isaac McGarvey, Mary Patton McGarvey, Daniel McGarvey, and related family burials in Ridgewood Cemetery.
Daniel McGarvey, 1893 to 1914.
Find a Grave memorial for Daniel McGarvey, Memorial ID 126589159, Ridgewood Cemetery, Wellston, Jackson County, Ohio.
This marker confirms Daniel McGarvey’s short life and connects him to the McGarvey family burial record in Wellston. It also supports the identification of Daniel as a child of Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton McGarvey.
McGarvey. Isaac, 1869 to 1941. Mary, 1873 to 1931.
This marker visually closes the shared life story of Isaac McGarvey and Mary Patton McGarvey, linking their marriage, household, children, and burial in Wellston.
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